Sure would be nice if VSS would cause a dbpause type thing to occur while
snapshot is taking place...

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:29 AM, David Wolverton <dwolv...@flash.net> wrote:

> Hey -- this was a question I got  though:  Is there a way to make UniData
> VSS/Shadow-Copy 'aware'?
>
> Does that question come up to other people as they transition users to U2?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:06 AM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
>
> David:
>
> I'm sure I don't have a complete understanding of your situation. I use
> "dbpause" all the time and run backups using Windows backup utilities.
> I don't think they have a problem backing up locked files because of the
> volume Shadow Copy functionality built into Windows (of course the service
> needs to be running).
>
> Our backups have been running on a number of machines over the last seven
> or
> eight years.  Am I missing something?
>
> Bill
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* dwolv...@flash.net
> *To:* 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
> *Date:* 8/9/2012 6:35 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
> > Has the issue on Windows been resolved?  Our customers reported that
> > UniData maintained 'open files' at a dbpause, which still made the
> > backup difficult with a dbpause.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wally
> > Terhune
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 5:27 PM
> > To: U2 Users List
> > Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
> >
> > RFS with TP has been available in UniData for 15-20 years too.
> > I understand your issues. I'm just saying you do have the ability in
> > UniData to generate a consistent backup (physical and logical) using
> dbpause.
> >
> > Wally Terhune
> > Technical Support Engineer
> > Rocket Software
> > 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA
> > t: +1 720 475 8055 **e: wterh...@rocketsoftware.com **w:
> > rocketsoftware.com/u2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:53 PM
> > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> > Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
> >
> >
> > That's the rub isn't it?
> >
> > We have a few thousand programs written over 30 years, and only a
> > limited staff, and users always want more.
> > Users don't see the need to go back and *fix* code that's working,
> > and/or are not willing to pay you to do it.
> >
> > It's a cost-benefit issue.  For a site that doesn't *have* to be 24-7
> > but can be say 22-7, it's safer to shutdown, then backup.
> > You can't always control every piece of code someone has written.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wally Terhune <wterh...@rocketsoftware.com>
> > To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
> > Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:18 pm
> > Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
> >
> >
> > If you have put transaction processing semantics in your code you will
> > have logical consistency with dbpause. For RFS enabled systems,
> > dbpause forces a checkpoint.
> >
> > Wally Terhune
> > Technical Support Engineer
> > Rocket Software
> > 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA
> > t: +1 720 475 8055 **e: wterh...@rocketsoftware.com **w:
> > rocketsoftware.com/u2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]
> > On Behalf Of Wjhonson
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:08 AM
> > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> > Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
> >
> >
> > You get an extra benefit from stopud and startud in that your database
> > will be consistent.
> > dbpause does not enforce consistency
> >
> > Personally I would never suggest using dbpause to take a snapshot
> > because of that issue.
> > You're never guarenteed that you have a clean consistent copy.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Jenkins <u2g...@btinternet.com>
> > To: 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
> > Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 6:02 am
> > Subject: Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
> >
> >
> > "dbpause" and "dbresume" allow any background processes (e.g. PHANTOM
> > or WebDE
> > (Redback)) to continue running. You do not have to have a restart
> procedure.
> > Additionally, as long as your backup methodology is brief - a SAN
> > "snap" or a mirrored drive split - then anyone using Telnet,
> > UniObjects or ODBC not even
> >
> > notice and can continue uninterrupted. Stopping UniData menas
> > terminating those sessions
> >
> > I'd look at what is blocking your dbpause - there is a Tech Tip in the
> > U2
> > knowledgebase.- search on "dbpause" - you should find SFMA-13082.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > JayJay
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of
> > thomas.bo...@firstgroup.com
> > Sent: 26 July 2012 10:34
> > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> > Subject: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud
> > Importance: High
> >
> > U2users,
> >
> > Will I get the same benefits by using stopud and startud as oppose to
> > dbpause and dbresume? The reason for my question is that my server is
> > running unidata
> > 7.2 but 50% of the time cannot resume and stays in dbpause state long
> > after backup?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Thomas Boadu | IS Systems Manager
> >
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