Yep - guilty as charged, we have a product that can help in terms of "web" technology, 
though the main focus of Vis�ge is really as an application development platform.

The points that you have raised are (obviously) important .... but forward thinking ? 
C'mon, these are features that have been around for 20 years !

When was the last time that anyone here had a "new prospect" get excited about the 
idea of background processing ? Or drool at the thought of audit files ?

Maybe things are different on that side of the Pacific, but my recent experience tells 
me that unless I can provide the "eye candy" that people EXPECT these days, new sales 
are harder to make every year.

Obviously I understand your sentiment - we have a comprehensive green screen 
application ourselves, and like many in this group we have a "hard core" of users that 
LIKE the green screen, and think that we are wasting our time on all of this GUI stuff 
.... and they are right - for THEM ! 

But, NEW sales take a LOT of things for granted - audit files, background processing, 
and even GUI ! to name a few .... and so forward thinking for me now has to include 
taking steps to make sure we continue to make sales into the future :-)

Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage - an Evolution in Software Development


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>And of course it's not self-serving to state that a web presence is itself
>necessary in order to be "forward thinking" <evil grin>.  I mean since you
>offer
>a product that does that ....
>   Now to me, forward thinking might involve more robust use of log files,
>audit files, transactions and rollback, background processing, process
>management .... but then I'm just old school.
>Will
>
>In a message dated 4/17/2004 6:05:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
>> >   Not saying all businesses are this way.  But I'm saying I don't think
>> >that is where most of the traditional multi-value market is focused.
>>
>> BUT, unless we help our customers get there - OR find new customers that
>> WANT to get there, we (as a market) run the risk that OUR existing
>customers
>> will loose market share & be consumed by more forward thinking
>competitors,
>> which in turn may mean that we too are out of a career !
>>
>> Ross Ferris
>> Stamina Software
>> Visage - an Evolution in Software Development
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