I'll give it a chance, pretty much have to. it's got the ability to be better than what we have now... I could even look past the cloud portion of it if it works really well.
I see the hosted option good for the billing/crm side but I prefer command and control to be in house. On Dec 2, 2014 11:14 AM, "Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife > tells me). > > What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively > judge the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, > when it comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough > folks do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be depreciated and the > team that makes it will be re-assigned. > Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't be any > more insecure than any other solution, just because it is a "cloud" based > offering. > > Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as "cambium could do it > better", to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because they have the > additional financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support > it. > > *Daniel Peoples* > Resonance Broadband > *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > 918-429-3620 > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> You've completely lost me. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. >> >> And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? >> >> *Daniel Peoples* >> Resonance Broadband >> *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> ePMP doesn't support what? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >>> >>> Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does. >>> >>> *Daniel Peoples* >>> Resonance Broadband >>> *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >>> 918-429-3620 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move >>>> over. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >>>> >>>> Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a >>>> great big poo stain. >>>> >>>> If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial >>>> spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will >>>> eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a >>>> $100 radio to support a tool like this. >>>> Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they >>>> have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as >>>> much so they can support these tools. >>>> >>>> If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature >>>> into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that >>>> actually on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE >>>> management system. >>>> >>>> All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, >>>> the two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I >>>> want them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is >>>> around the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me >>>> complexity in billing and management. >>>> >>>> As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have more >>>> vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the >>>> internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so >>>> that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your >>>> powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire >>>> internet connection dies, because they have you to route the information >>>> through the hardware. >>>> BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 >>>> exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to >>>> learn how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that >>>> I do when I look at all of the stuff together. >>>> >>>> >>>> I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it >>>> right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the >>>> adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong. >>>> >>>> *Daniel Peoples* >>>> Resonance Broadband >>>> *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >>>> 918-429-3620 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch >>>>> of >>>>> hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the >>>>> proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we have been >>>>> told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers >>>>> working on it, etc. >>>>> >>>>> I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the >>>>> few >>>>> piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading >>>>> firmware, >>>>> and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could have >>>>> spent >>>>> countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, >>>>> but >>>>> I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at one >>>>> point. I >>>>> can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has anyone at >>>>> UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making >>>>> changes, monitoring, etc. >>>>> >>>>> It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we were >>>>> spending >>>>> 20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin, >>>>> marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent less time >>>>> monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more >>>>> customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not to mention >>>>> the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY >>>>> for a >>>>> working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means >>>>> saving >>>>> money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like Observium >>>>> and >>>>> Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay money if it >>>>> meant I >>>>> had less hassle. >>>>> >>>>> Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a >>>>> bad >>>>> idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta? I >>>>> installed >>>>> the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my >>>>> client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an integrated >>>>> solution. >>>>> Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw it out >>>>> there. >>>>> >>>>> I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You missed the boat UBNT. >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Justin Wilson <[email protected]> >>>>> http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/blog> >>>>> Managed Services xISP Solutions Data Centers >>>>> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com >>>>> Podcast about xISP topics >>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>> Peering Transit Internet Exchange >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ubnt_users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ubnt_users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >
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