And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted thing
with integrated billing that nobody seems to want, that's fine with
me, but it isn't a replacement for airControl.
Just make something that the basic functions work on (with all
devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think most of us would be
perfectly happy... I don't even care about stuff like maps, it just
needs to be able to do firmware upgrades, make configuration changes
and monitor devices. It doesn't have to be all that complicated.
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*From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] on
behalf of Mike Hammett [[email protected]]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
With airCRM, airControl is dead.
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Mike Hammett
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*From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the hardware
they sell and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of Beta before the
Cubs win the World Series.
Rory
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for some reason
think the billing stuff needs to be kept on their servers where it's
safe from our meddling, I'd be perfectly happy if they just cut it all
out and let us have the useful part.
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*From:*[email protected] [[email protected]] on
behalf of Mike Hammett [[email protected]]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I believe they
already said), they don't have to remove billing. Keep it there for
all I care, just let me install it locally.
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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to just remove
the billing parts and let us have the rest to run on our own servers...
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*From:*[email protected] [[email protected]] on
behalf of Mike Hammett [[email protected]]
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
*nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net
server and just not use the billing aspect.
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Mike Hammett
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*From: *"Kees H" <[email protected]>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as
advertised. But as with the unifi software. Allow me to load it on
my server. That is all I ask for.
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*From:*Daniel Peoples <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*Ubiquiti Users Group <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM
*Subject:*Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my
wife tells me).
What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and
objectively judge the final product. They might accidentally get
it right. At worst, when it comes out of beta and doesn't work,
don't use it and if enough folks do the same, they won't mess with
it, it will be depreciated and the team that makes it will be
re-assigned.
Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't
be any more insecure than any other solution, just because it is a
"cloud" based offering.
Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as "cambium could
do it better", to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because
they have the additional financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe
combination to support it.
/Daniel Peoples/
Resonance Broadband
/Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
918-429-3620
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You've completely lost me.
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*From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much.
And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things?
/Daniel Peoples/
Resonance Broadband
/Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
918-429-3620
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
ePMP doesn't support what?
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*From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450
does.
/Daniel Peoples/
Resonance Broadband
/Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
918-429-3620
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to
move over.
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Mike Hammett
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*From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold
or a great big poo stain.
If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that
initial spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or
two. It will eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just
isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to support a tool like this.
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but
they have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to
5 times as much so they can support these tools.
If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely
mature into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and
something that actually on the billing side approaches a real
billing software and CPE management system.
All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for
billing, the two programs both do exactly what I want from them,
and that is ALL I want them to do. If ubnt makes a product that
does both functions and is around the same price or even higher
per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing and management.
As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have more
vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where
the internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the
internet so that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your
azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box
and your entire internet connection dies, because they have you to
route the information through the hardware.
BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1
exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly
hope to learn how you tie all of that stuff together to make the
solid picture that I do when I look at all of the stuff together.
I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do
it right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it
right, the adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong.
/Daniel Peoples/
Resonance Broadband
/Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com>
918-429-3620
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a
bunch of
hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and
having the
proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we have been
told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers
working on it, etc.
I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for
the few
piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading
firmware,
and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could have
spent
countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party
tools, but
I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at one
point. I
can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has
anyone at
UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making
changes, monitoring, etc.
It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we were
spending
20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin,
marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent less time
monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more
customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not to mention
the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would
PAY for a
working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means
saving
money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like
Observium and
Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay money if it
meant I
had less hassle.
Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is
such a bad
idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta? I
installed
the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my
client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an integrated
solution.
Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw it
out there.
I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You missed the boat UBNT.
Justin
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