Sam, I'd like to see this PHP code if you wouldn't mind sending me a copy.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Chris Ruschmann <[email protected]> wrote: > That would be most often, Josh may be the best to get this and post it to > the dev site. > > > > Dev servers are up and I am going to start working on the DB design here > tonight. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *On Behalf Of *Sam Tetherow > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:15 AM > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > > > I've got a breakdown and php code for the UBNT discovery protocol for > anyone who is interested and I've parse chunks for the config files to > check various settings. > > On 12/02/2014 01:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > hangout created :) > > > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com > > On 12/02/2014 10:51 AM, Chris Ruschmann wrote: > > There are a couple ways to build a database to facilitate this. I built a > custom monitoring system for our IT billing system several years ago that > we can go off. > > > > Shall we setup a Hangouts to go over things? I think this could be a > killer tool. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:26 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > > > As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off of, I > see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be designed. > > Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery, > whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of devices, > and add them to the database. Once in the database their is a *int > pollin**gFrequency > = x**; *and *str poll**Type = **y;* and *str pollTemplate = z;*, where > pollType could be "snmp, ssh, agent" and pollTemplate could be > "ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik", etc. > > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com > > On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of equipment out > there... UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, Exalt, servers, etc. In > my 36 hours of experience, it seems like that would be the platform to > build off of. *shrugs* > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > Via Adam? > > Not likely. > > I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and > standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle though -- > snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating initially as > admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device itself to poll stats > and send them upstream (I believe, it's been awhile since I've looked into > this). > > I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and > everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things like that. > > Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is > often jumbled from device to device and version to version -- but it's > mostly the same. > > Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up x > devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for organizing > CPEs per AP MAC. > > Scheduling would be nice eventually. > > This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than > this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99. > > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com > > On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls > OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It supports external > apps. Maybe we could get a firmware push system into it. > > It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push commands out to > all of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file format for the pulling and > setup a method to push configurations back out? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party solution > > this sucks > > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com > > On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted thing with > integrated billing that nobody seems to want, that's fine with me, but it > isn't a replacement for airControl. > > Just make something that the basic functions work on (with all devices) > that's somewhat reliable and I think most of us would be perfectly happy... > I don't even care about stuff like maps, it just needs to be able to do > firmware upgrades, make configuration changes and monitor devices. It > doesn't have to be all that complicated. > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] on > behalf of Mike Hammett [[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > With airCRM, airControl is dead. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the hardware they > sell and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of Beta before the Cubs win > the World Series. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > > > true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for some reason > think the billing stuff needs to be kept on their servers where it's safe > from our meddling, I'd be perfectly happy if they just cut it all out and > let us have the useful part. > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] on > behalf of Mike Hammett [[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I believe they > already said), they don't have to remove billing. Keep it there for all I > care, just let me install it locally. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to just remove the > billing parts and let us have the rest to run on our own servers... > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] on > behalf of Mike Hammett [[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > *nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net server > and just not use the billing aspect. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Kees H" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > > > Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as advertised. > But as with the unifi software. Allow me to load it on my server. That is > all I ask for. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Daniel Peoples <[email protected]> > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > > > Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife > tells me). > > What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively > judge the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, > when it comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough > folks do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be depreciated and the > team that makes it will be re-assigned. > Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't be any > more insecure than any other solution, just because it is a "cloud" based > offering. > > Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as "cambium could do it > better", to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because they have the > additional financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support > it. > > > *Daniel Peoples* > Resonance Broadband > > *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > 918-429-3620 > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > wrote: > > You've completely lost me. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]> > *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. > > And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? > > > *Daniel Peoples* > Resonance Broadband > > *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > 918-429-3620 > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > wrote: > > ePMP doesn't support what? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]> > *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does. > > > *Daniel Peoples* > Resonance Broadband > > *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > 918-429-3620 > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move over. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected]> > *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM > *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl > > Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a > great big poo stain. > > If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial > spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will > eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a > $100 radio to support a tool like this. > Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have > ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so > they can support these tools. > > If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature > into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that > actually on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE > management system. > > All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the > two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want > them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around > the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in > billing and management. > > As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have more > vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the > internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so > that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your > powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire > internet connection dies, because they have you to route the information > through the hardware. > > BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists > passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn > how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do > when I look at all of the stuff together. > > > > I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it > right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the > adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong. > > > *Daniel Peoples* > Resonance Broadband > > *Resonancebroadband.com* <http://Resonancebroadband.com> > 918-429-3620 > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of > hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the > proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we have been > told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers > working on it, etc. > > I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few > piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading firmware, > and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could have spent > countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but > I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at one point. I > can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has anyone at > UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making > changes, monitoring, etc. > > It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we were spending > 20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin, > marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent less time > monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more > customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not to mention > the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a > working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving > money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like Observium and > Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay money if it meant I > had less hassle. > > Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a bad > idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta? I installed > the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my > client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an integrated solution. > Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw it out there. > > I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You missed the boat UBNT. > > Justin > > > -- > Justin Wilson <[email protected]> > http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/blog> > Managed Services xISP Solutions Data Centers > http://www.thebrotherswisp.com > Podcast about xISP topics > http://www.midwest-ix.com > Peering Transit Internet Exchange > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > >
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