What do companies like Jab and Wisper use?
Josh Reynolds wrote: > As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off > of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be > designed. > > Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery, > whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of > devices, and add them to the database. Once in the database their is a > /int pollingFrequency = x; /and /str pollType = y;/ and /str > pollTemplate = z;/, where pollType could be "snmp, ssh, agent" and > pollTemplate could be "ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik", etc. > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com > On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of >> equipment out there... UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, >> Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it seems like that >> would be the platform to build off of. *shrugs* >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> Via Adam? >> >> Not likely. >> >> I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and >> standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle >> though-- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating >> initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device >> itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe, it's been >> awhile since I've looked into this). >> >> I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and >> everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things >> like that. >> >> Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is >> often jumbled from device to device and version to version-- but it's >> mostly the same. >> >> Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up >> x devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for >> organizing CPEs per AP MAC. >> >> Scheduling would be nice eventually. >> >> This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than >> this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99. >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com >> On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls >> OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It >> supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware push system >> into it. >> >> It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push >> commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file >> format for the pulling and setup a method to push configurations >> back out? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"ubnt users" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party solution >> >> this sucks >> >> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >> spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com >> >> On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >> And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted >> thing with integrated billing that nobody seems to want, >> that's fine with me, but it isn't a replacement for airControl. >> >> Just make something that the basic functions work on (with >> all devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think most of us >> would be perfectly happy... I don't even care about stuff >> like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware upgrades, >> make configuration changes and monitor devices. It doesn't >> have to be all that complicated. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* [email protected] >> [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett >> [[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> With airCRM, airControl is dead. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the >> hardware they sell and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of >> Beta before the Cubs win the World Series. >> >> Rory >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew >> Howard >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for >> some reason think the billing stuff needs to be kept on their >> servers where it's safe from our meddling, I'd be perfectly >> happy if they just cut it all out and let us have the useful >> part. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett >> [[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I >> believe they already said), they don't have to remove >> billing. Keep it there for all I care, just let me install it >> locally. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to >> just remove the billing parts and let us have the rest to run >> on our own servers... >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*[email protected] >> [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett >> [[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM >> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> *nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing >> on-net server and just not use the billing aspect. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Kees H" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> >> >> Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as >> advertised. But as with the unifi software. Allow me to load >> it on my server. That is all I ask for. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:*Daniel Peoples <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *To:*Ubiquiti Users Group <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:*Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM >> >> *Subject:*Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's >> what my wife tells me). >> >> What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, >> and objectively judge the final product. They might >> accidentally get it right. At worst, when it comes out of >> beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks >> do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be >> depreciated and the team that makes it will be re-assigned. >> Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that >> it won't be any more insecure than any other solution, >> just because it is a "cloud" based offering. >> >> Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as >> "cambium could do it better", to which I was just saying >> YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional financial >> assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it. >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> Resonance Broadband >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> You've completely lost me. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. >> >> And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> Resonance Broadband >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> ePMP doesn't support what? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, >> the 450 does. >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> Resonance Broadband >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely >> plausible to move over. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Daniel Peoples" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl >> >> Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could >> be gold or a great big poo stain. >> >> If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have >> that initial spert of awesome that will taper to nothing >> in a year or two. It will eventually be stuck by the >> wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 >> radio to support a tool like this. >> Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? >> Sure, but they have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and >> SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can support >> these tools. >> >> If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than >> likely mature into something that is MUCH better than ac >> 1 or 2 , and something that actually on the billing side >> approaches a real billing software and CPE management >> system. >> >> All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox >> for billing, the two programs both do exactly what I want >> from them, and that is ALL I want them to do. If ubnt >> makes a product that does both functions and is around >> the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, >> saves me complexity in billing and management. >> >> As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have >> more vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even >> know where the internet is, but you have to put your >> billing system on the internet so that it can process a >> CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your powercode >> bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire >> internet connection dies, because they have you to route >> the information through the hardware. >> >> BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know >> that ac1 exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he >> couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie all of that >> stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I >> look at all of the stuff together. >> >> I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If >> they do it right, it will be a properly good tool, if >> they don't do it right, the adoption numbers will tell >> them that they did wrong. >> >> >> /Daniel Peoples/ >> Resonance Broadband >> >> /Resonancebroadband.com/ <http://Resonancebroadband.com> >> 918-429-3620 >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are >> just a bunch of >> hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business >> and having the >> proper tools to do that is essential. For several years >> we have been >> told that Air Control is being active developed, we have >> programmers >> working on it, etc. >> >> I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it >> wasn¹t for the few >> piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare >> upgrading firmware, >> and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we >> could have spent >> countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd >> party tools, but >> I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work >> at one point. I >> can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. >> Has anyone at >> UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading >> firmware, making >> changes, monitoring, etc. >> >> It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we >> were spending >> 20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins >> are thin, >> marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks >> spent less time >> monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could >> put on more >> customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. >> Not to mention >> the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who >> would PAY for a >> working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving >> labor means saving >> money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like >> Observium and >> Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay >> money if it meant I >> had less hassle. >> >> Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? >> This is such a bad >> idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or >> Beta? I installed >> the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because >> it worked my >> client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an >> integrated solution. >> Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just >> throw it out there. >> >> I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. 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