My friend Tomas loves NetXMS. Another product from Riga.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Duchcherer" <[email protected]> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 4:21:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Just going to throw something out. http://www.netxms.org has a great user interface and a lot of functionality already built in. May also be worth a look as a starting point. Terry NETAGO From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Ruschmann Sent: December-02-14 3:15 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl That would be most often, Josh may be the best to get this and post it to the dev site. Dev servers are up and I am going to start working on the DB design here tonight. From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:15 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl I've got a breakdown and php code for the UBNT discovery protocol for anyone who is interested and I've parse chunks for the config files to check various settings. On 12/02/2014 01:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: hangout created :) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/02/2014 10:51 AM, Chris Ruschmann wrote: <blockquote> There are a couple ways to build a database to facilitate this. I built a custom monitoring system for our IT billing system several years ago that we can go off. Shall we setup a Hangouts to go over things? I think this could be a killer tool. From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be designed. Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery, whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of devices, and add them to the database. Once in the da tabase their is a int pollin gFrequency = x ; and str poll T ype = y; and str pollTemplate = z; , where pollType could be "snmp, ssh, agent" and pollTemplate could be "ubnt,cambium-ePmP, mikrotik", etc. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: <blockquote> My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of equipment out there... UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it seems like that would be the platform to build off of. *shrugs* ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: "ubnt users" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Via Adam? Not likely. I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are c lean and standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle though -- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe, it's been awhile since I've looked into this). I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things like that. Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is often jumbled from device to devi c e and version to version -- but it's mostly the same. Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up x devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for organizing CPEs per AP MAC. Scheduling would be nice eventually. This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: <blockquote> Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware push system into it. It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file format for the pulling and setup a method to push configurations back out? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: "ubnt users" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party solution this sucks josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: <blockquote> And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted thing with integrated billing that nobody seems to want, that's fine with me, but it isn't a replacement for airControl. Just make something that the basic functions work on (with all devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think most of us would be perfectly happy... I don't even care about stuff like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware upgrades, make configuration changes and monitor devices. It doesn't have to be all that complicated. From: [email protected] [ [email protected] ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [ [email protected] ] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl With airCRM, airControl is dead. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the hardware they sell and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of Beta before the Cubs win the World Series. Rory From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for some reason think the billing stuff needs to be kept on their servers where it's safe from our meddling, I'd be perfectly happy if they just cut it all out and let us have the useful part. From: [email protected] [ [email protected] ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [ [email protected] ] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I believe they already said), they don't have to remove billing. Keep it there for all I care, just let me install it locally. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to just remove the billing parts and let us have the rest to run on our own servers... From: [email protected] [ [email protected] ] on behalf of Mike Hammett [ [email protected] ] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl *nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net server and just not use the billing aspect. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Kees H" <[email protected]> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as advertised. But as with the unifi software. Allow me to load it on my server. That is all I ask for. <blockquote> ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Peoples To: Ubiquiti Users Group Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife tells me). What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively judge the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, when it comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks do the same, they won't mess with it, it will be depreciated and the team that makes it will be re-assigned. Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't be any more insecure than any other solution, just because it is a "cloud" based offering. Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as "cambium could do it better", to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it. Daniel Peoples Resonance Broadband Resonancebroadband.com 918-429-3620 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: You've completely lost me. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Daniel Peoples" < [email protected] > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? Daniel Peoples Resonance Broadband Resonancebroadband.com 918-429-3620 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: ePMP doesn't support what? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Daniel Peoples" < [email protected] > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does. Daniel Peoples Resonance Broadband Resonancebroadband.com 918-429-3620 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move over. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Daniel Peoples" < [email protected] > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a great big poo stain. If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to support a tool like this. Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can support these tools. If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that actually on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE management system. All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing and management. As for the "cloud" side of this, yes it will always have more vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire internet connection dies, because they have you to route the information through the hardware. BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I look at all of the stuff together. I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong. Daniel Peoples Resonance Broadband Resonancebroadband.com 918-429-3620 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson < [email protected] > wrote: Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we have been told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers working on it, etc. I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading firmware, and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could have spent countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at one point. I can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has anyone at UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making changes, monitoring, etc. It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we were spending 20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin, marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent less time monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not to mention the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like Observium and Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay money if it meant I had less hassle. Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a bad idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta? I installed the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an integrated solution. Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw it out there. I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang. You missed the boat UBNT. 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