That was a fast change of position ? :)
Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "J Portman" <[email protected]> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 8:00:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > Actually, looks like the AF11x will perform as good (or maybe better) than the > B11 for less cost. > 1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel. > 799 per radio, ($1600/pair) plus antennas puts the whole link in the $3000 > range > with what looks like outstanding performance for the price. > I am now officially considering UBNT as a possible vendor for three links I > need > to do in the next few months. > YMMV, > JP > On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 01:10:01 +0000 (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote >> I love these kinds of conversations.... everyone get hunkered down to >> comparing > > the tech specs.. > > Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios.... >> But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the B11 >> becoming > > available in the market place, for our industry ? > > 1).. A new technical concepts introduced. >> 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the Licensed > > world challenged and broken > > 3)..A new price point established > > 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links >> 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES !!!!... you may not like it.. but some others > > cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own). > > Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never introduced ? >> Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring their >> absorbent > > product pricing down ? > > Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change.. > > :) > > Happy Easter Everyone ! > > Regards > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > Miami, FL 33155 > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>> Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the >>> B11 to >>> make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a bunch of >> > latency. >>> All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a >>> real >>> FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have already >>> been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data over >>> 11ghz >>> for cheap and have the channels available, but technically superior to other >>> 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a B11 anywhere >>> that I >> > couldn't license enough channels to run it at full capacity. >>> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf >>> of >> > Mike Hammett [[email protected]] >> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM >> > To: Ubiquiti Users Group >> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>> Sure there is... as long as it's that exact same product. SAF Lumina can >>> coexist >> > with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long as they all Tx or all Rx. >>> B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the same sync >> > settings. >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> The Brothers WISP >> > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >> > not trying to be anal.... even in your statement there is a 'as long >> > as'.... >> > There is no such 'as long as' requirement with the B11 sync. >>> While it is nothing new in concept, but their implementation is unique (at >>> least >> > for the moment !) >> > Faisal Imtiaz >> > Snappy Internet & Telecom >> > 7266 SW 48 Street >> > Miami, FL 33155 >> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >>> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 3:50:36 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>>> As far as I know, any FDD radio can share frequencies with any other radio >>>> on >>>> the tower, regardless of owner or manufacturer. 16 QAM or 4096 QAM. As >>>> long as >>> > they're all Rx or all Tx and sufficient azimuth\elevation separation. >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> The Brothers WISP >>> > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >>> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 2:46:23 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>>> I am confused.. your earlier explanation had a number of conditions implied >>> > before one can reuse the same channel ? unless I am miss-understanding... >>>> with Mimosa, you can have two radios back to back or next to each other, >>> > belonging to two different providers, and re-use the channel. >>>> Can we do that today with FDD ? or the other party is going to get their >>>> panties >>> > in tbe bunch because their radio can hear your radio ? >>> > Faisal Imtiaz >>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> > 7266 SW 48 Street >>> > Miami, FL 33155 >>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Seth Mattinen" <[email protected]> >>> > > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:21:12 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) >>> > > On 4/15/17 7:17 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>> > >> In case of Mimosa, you are actually getting something that has not >>> > >> existed >>> > >> before in the Licensed Radio world... >>> > >> Their radios don't care if they can hear each other.. and they will >>> > >> still >>> > >> operate, co-exist.... >>> > >> exactly how gps sync, channel reuse works in the TDD world... >>> > > But I don't need TDD or GPS sync to point take a channel pair I'm using >>> > > in one direction and reuse it in a different direction, so I'm not clear >>> > > what has been improved. The argument is I can do something I can already >>> > > do, but with higher latency. >>> > > ~Seth >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Ubnt_users mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ubnt_users mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > Joe Portman > Alamo Broadband Inc. > www.alamobroadband.com > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
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