They haven't achieved much more than 500 megabits real throughput in
one direction. They end up with a lot of bits on the floor.
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*From: *"J Portman" <[email protected]>
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Sunday, April 16, 2017 7:00:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
Actually, looks like the AF11x will perform as good (or maybe better)
than the B11 for less cost.
1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel.
799 per radio, ($1600/pair) plus antennas puts the whole link in the
$3000 range with what looks like outstanding performance for the price.
I am now officially considering UBNT as a possible vendor for three
links I need to do in the next few months.
YMMV,
JP
*On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 01:10:01 +0000 (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote*
> I love these kinds of conversations.... everyone get hunkered down
to comparing the tech specs..
>
> Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios....
>
> But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the
B11 becoming available in the market place, for our industry ?
>
> 1).. A new technical concepts introduced.
> 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the
Licensed world challenged and broken
> 3)..A new price point established
> 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links
> 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES !!!!... you may not like it.. but
some others cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own).
>
> Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never
introduced ?
> Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring
their absorbent product pricing down ?
> Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change..
>
> :)
>
> Happy Easter Everyone !
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>
>
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>
*From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
>
>
> Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down
ratios on the B11 to make sync work, which makes them even more
inefficient...and adds a bunch of latency.
>
> All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you
get with a real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of
disadvantages, which have already been pointed out). B11s are
great if you need to move a gig of data over 11ghz for cheap and
have the channels available, but technically superior to other
11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a B11
anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full
capacity.
>
>
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> *From:* [email protected]
[[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett
[[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
>
> Sure there is... as long as it's that exact same product. SAF
Lumina can coexist with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long
as they all Tx or all Rx.
>
> B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the
same sync settings.
>
>
-----
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>
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> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]>
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
> not trying to be anal.... even in your statement there is a 'as
long as'....
>
> There is no such 'as long as' requirement with the B11 sync.
> While it is nothing new in concept, but their implementation is
unique (at least for the moment !)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
[email protected]
>
>
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>
*From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 15, 2017 3:50:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
>
> As far as I know, any FDD radio can share frequencies with
any other radio on the tower, regardless of owner or
manufacturer. 16 QAM or 4096 QAM. As long as they're all Rx or
all Tx and sufficient azimuth\elevation separation.
>
>
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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>
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> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]>
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 15, 2017 2:46:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
> I am confused.. your earlier explanation had a number of
conditions implied before one can reuse the same channel ?
unless I am miss-understanding...
>
> with Mimosa, you can have two radios back to back or next to
each other, belonging to two different providers, and re-use
the channel.
>
> Can we do that today with FDD ? or the other party is going
to get their panties in tbe bunch because their radio can hear
your radio ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
[email protected]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Seth Mattinen" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:21:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
> > On 4/15/17 7:17 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >> In case of Mimosa, you are actually getting something
that has not existed
> >> before in the Licensed Radio world...
> >> Their radios don't care if they can hear each other.. and
they will still
> >> operate, co-exist....
> >> exactly how gps sync, channel reuse works in the TDD
world...
> >
> >
> >
> > But I don't need TDD or GPS sync to point take a channel
pair I'm using
> > in one direction and reuse it in a different direction, so
I'm not clear
> > what has been improved. The argument is I can do something
I can already
> > do, but with higher latency.
> >
> > ~Seth
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