I misread the data sheet. The AF11 is not even as efficient as a SAF 256QAM in SISO mode.
Ergo, to the bottom of the pile it goes. Better post that flipflop on twitter and alert CNN. :) JP On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 00:43:33 +0000 (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote > That was a fast change of position ? > > :) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "J Portman" <[email protected]> > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 8:00:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > > Actually, looks like the AF11x will perform as good (or maybe better) than > the B11 for less cost. > 1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel. > > 799 per radio, ($1600/pair) plus antennas puts the whole link in the $3000 > range with what looks like outstanding performance for the price. > > I am now officially considering UBNT as a possible vendor for three links I > need to do in the next few months. > > YMMV, > > JP > > On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 01:10:01 +0000 (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote > > I love these kinds of conversations.... everyone get hunkered down to > > comparing the tech specs.. > > > > > Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios.... > > > > > But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the B11 > > becoming available in the market place, for our industry ? > > > > 1).. A new technical concepts introduced. > > 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the Licensed > > world challenged and broken > > 3)..A new price point established > > 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links > > 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES !!!!... you may not like it.. but some > > others cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own). > > > > Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never introduced ? > > Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring their > > absorbent product pricing down ? > > Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change.. > > > > > :) > > > > > Happy Easter Everyone ! > > > > > Regards > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > Miami, FL 33155 > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > > > > > > > > Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the > > B11 to make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a > > bunch of latency. > > > > All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a > > real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have > > already been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data > > over 11ghz for cheap and have the channels available, but technically > > superior to other 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using > > a B11 anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full > > capacity. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf > > of Mike Hammett [[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > > > > > > Sure there is... as long as it's that exact same product. SAF Lumina can > > coexist with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long as they all Tx or > > all Rx. > > > > B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the same sync > > settings. > > > > ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet > > Exchange The Brothers WISP > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> > > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > > > > not trying to be anal.... even in your statement there is a 'as long > > as'.... > > > > There is no such 'as long as' requirement with the B11 sync. > > While it is nothing new in concept, but their implementation is unique (at > > least for the moment !) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > Miami, FL 33155 > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 3:50:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > > > > > > As far as I know, any FDD radio can share frequencies with any other radio > > on the tower, regardless of owner or manufacturer. 16 QAM or 4096 QAM. As > > long as they're all Rx or all Tx and sufficient azimuth\elevation > > separation. > > > > ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet > > Exchange The Brothers WISP > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> > > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 2:46:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > > > > I am confused.. your earlier explanation had a number of conditions implied > > before one can reuse the same channel ? unless I am miss-understanding... > > > > with Mimosa, you can have two radios back to back or next to each other, > > belonging to two different providers, and re-use the channel. > > > > Can we do that today with FDD ? or the other party is going to get their > > panties in tbe bunch because their radio can hear your radio ? > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > 7266 SW 48 Street > > Miami, FL 33155 > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Seth Mattinen" <[email protected]> > > > To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:21:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) > > > > > On 4/15/17 7:17 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > > >> In case of Mimosa, you are actually getting something that has not > > >> existed > > >> before in the Licensed Radio world... > > >> Their radios don't care if they can hear each other.. and they will > > >> still > > >> operate, co-exist.... > > >> exactly how gps sync, channel reuse works in the TDD world... > > > > > > > > > > > > But I don't need TDD or GPS sync to point take a channel pair I'm using > > > in one direction and reuse it in a different direction, so I'm not clear > > > what has been improved. The argument is I can do something I can already > > > do, but with higher latency. > > > > > > ~Seth > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > > > Joe Portman > Alamo Broadband Inc. > www.alamobroadband.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > Joe Portman Alamo Broadband Inc. www.alamobroadband.com
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