Adair

have 3 foot clear  fresnel (20 feet middle) and still the AF5X wont work and the

100km AF5 and 5Us wont either so I am at a loss

40 towers and back hauls these just will not function so am not

very confident in spending more on AF11x at this point.

just scared lol



On 10/21/2017 6:10 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
We have about 40 af5x links and all of them perform as they should. You have two small of antennas for a shot that long. Need at least 3' antennas and good fresnel clearance. With proper alignment and tuning,  they will kick just about any  backhauls ass.

On Oct 21, 2017 5:27 PM, "Mitch" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I am kinda nervous to spend more on the AF line even for the AF11x

    After three types of AF have failed and costs so far are over
    6000.00 in dishes

    R5C, AFx, AF units, and AF unit shipping to return replacements
    that failed (2)

    with in a few days ???

    Kinda tired of spending and not working you know?

    Mitch


    On 10/21/2017 5:18 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
    Had a 12 mile AF5 link that was very marginal because of
    distance, plus it was a bitch to align.  Replaced with AF11FX on
    35dB dishes and it works like a champ.  Dropped them right into
    the AF5 mount and they linked right up and only need a tweak in
    alignment.  I'm guessing about a 5-7 mile link is about max for
    an AF5 to get 8x modulation.  Also, have an AF5X link at 8 miles
    with a 34db at the Slave end and a 30dB at the Master end and it
    to works great.

    Phil

    On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Mitch <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        We aligned them no side lobe here

        used alignment scope and borrowed a laser aligner from a

        Verizon friend just to make sure

        Loved that laser one but 12,000 is a little more than I can
        spend right now LOL


        On 10/21/2017 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
        I had a 2 and 3 foot dish working with Rockets for years. 
        Tried swapping to af5x and couldn't even associate!

        After so much hassle back and forth etc we discovered the
        dishes were misaligned.  Rockets did 60 megs where af5x
        wouldn't associate.

        Af5x works a LOT better aligned than Rockets side lobed.

        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
        Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Mitch" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Plain old UBNT 2 foot dishes have had for years


            On 10/21/2017 3:49 PM, Ben Moore via Ubnt_users wrote:
            What antenna do you have with the AC?  That really is
            the difference.

            Thanks,
            Ben

            On Oct 21, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Mitch
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Yet Support says it's "Thermal Ducting" Hmm

            Thank Mike I finally came to the same conclusion .....
            atleast for the 19 mile link

            Now just got to figure out why the 9 mile link sucks
            as well


            On 10/21/2017 3:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
            The AF5 only has 23 dBi antenna. There's no way it'll
            work well at that distance.

            Also, you're comparing 23 dBi antennas to 29 - 31 dBi
            antennas. That 12 - 16 dB difference is most of what
            you're missing when comparing to the other link.



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            *From: *"Mitch" <[email protected]>
            <mailto:[email protected]>
            *To: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
            <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:05:56 PM
            *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes

            We have installed a 22.6 mile link in Missouri that
            works very well the AF5

            tried a AF5U at it never even linked up

            This link has been up and running for almost 3 years


            On 10/21/2017 2:56 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

                The AF5 just isn't meant for distance. Look at
                the antenna gain differences.


                -----
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                Intelligent Computing Solutions
                <http://www.ics-il.com/>
                
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                *From: *"Mitch" <[email protected]>
                <mailto:[email protected]>
                *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group"
                <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:52:53 PM
                *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes

                Yes did discuss no resolve

                as well as AF5 and AF5U

                Installed AF5X tuned them took them out put in
                RM5 tuned put AF5X back in changed from 2 to 3
                foot dish ....

                all this on a 9.2 mile link gave up bought AF5
                and they don't work very well for 9.2 mile link

                either getting better performance from the R5C Gen 2s

                Have a 19.6 mile link with AF5U that sucks (-76
                to -77) and the

                2 foot dishes next to them with R5C Gen 2 out
                perform the AFs

                hands down RF (-56 to -60) and data

                But been told by support it's "Thermal Ducting"
                20 dB difference

                units 10 feet from each other on same tower same
                elevation


                On 10/21/2017 2:43 PM, Ben Moore via Ubnt_users
                wrote:

                    Have you discussed with support? You had them
                    installed, but they never linked up?

                    Thanks,
                    Ben

                    On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Mitch
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        LOL

                        I have two AF5xs that I have never gotten
                        to link up or pass traffic

                        no matter what I have done and looking
                        they are out of warranty

                        LMAO what luck

                        Guess I might have to give em away

                        Mitch


                        On 10/21/2017 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

                            For electrical or mechanical reasons?

                            Josh Luthman
                            Office: 937-552-2340
                            <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
                            Direct: 937-552-2343
                            <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
                            1100 Wayne St
                            Suite 1337
                            Troy, OH 45373

                            On Oct 21, 2017 2:17 PM, "Clay
                            Stewart" <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>>
                            wrote:

                                Yes for both, but I would put an
                                X adapter kit on the RD-5G30 to
                                get 45 degree polarity.

                                On Thu, Oct 19,        2017 at
                                11:39 AM, Josh Luthman
                                <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                wrote:

                                    Do these Ubnt dishes work
                                    (without modification) with
                                    the af5x radio?

                                    RD‑5G31‑AC
                                    RD-5G30

                                    Josh Luthman
                                    Office: 937-552-2340
                                    <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
                                    Direct: 937-552-2343
                                    <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
                                    1100 Wayne St
                                    Suite 1337
                                    Troy, OH 45373

                                    
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