Honestly, the current state of the classicmenu-indicator is much less helpful 
than it could be in my opinion. 
There are too many categories, and a large percentage of items appear in 
multiple sub-menus. 
I mean, really, sundry and other? 
This is too bad as this was a nicer tool back when I first used it when gnoe 
shell was still pretty new. 
I've got an alternative that hopefully will be packaged for Ubuntu this weekend 
that is rather more efficient I think, will let you know about it, or 
write me off list and I'll send you a tarball that can be installed with a 
couple of commands, i.e. extracting the files and running the installer.



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  Rob Whyte wrote:
Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 08:26:02AM +1100

> Have you tried installing classicmenu-indicator?
> 
> On 02/04/16 08:18, Don Raikes wrote:
> > I am just used to the old menu-driven approach and whenever I try to do 
> > something I can't find it in gnome.
> >
> > I am working on a security-based debian derivative named kalilinux, and I 
> > don't know all the tools so it would be helpful to have the menus to guide 
> > me into knowing the various tools and their general functions.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Whyte [mailto:[email protected]] 
> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:43 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
> >
> > Hi,
> > What frustrates you about Gnome Don?
> > cheers
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > On 02/04/16 03:30, Don Raikes wrote:
> >> I have been frustrated with gnome-shell for a while now and want to go 
> >> back to mate.
> >> I downloaded the ubuntu-mate-15.10 desktop iso and have tried installing 
> >> it in a vmware virtual machine, but once it is installed I can't get sound 
> >> working on it at all.
> >>
> >> I tried with a variety of configurations over the last couple of days but 
> >> nothing seems to work.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: kendell clark [mailto:[email protected]] 
> >> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:41 AM
> >> To: Daniel Crone; [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: gnome shell versus mate
> >>
> >> hi
> >> Being objective is a little difficult, since I've switched back to mate, 
> >> but i'll give it a shot. Hear goes.
> >> Gnome is great if you don't want to have a customized panel with different 
> >> applets on it. The gnome panel is set and can't be changed easily. It 
> >> requires an extension or gsettings keys to do so.
> >>
> >> As a resultt, once you learn where everything is it won't ever change.
> >> This is an advantage if you just want to run your apps and not have to go 
> >> looking for stuff on the panel. On the other hand, gnome has taken out a 
> >> lot of functionality that mate, being a fork of gnome 2 before all this 
> >> stuff was removed, has. In gnome, you can't select a different sound theme 
> >> than the default except by using gsettings.
> >>
> >> You can't create your own desktop icons, and removing a drive through the 
> >> gui is buried in nautilus. Whether you care about this stuff mostly 
> >> depends on what you do with your computer. Mate is much lighter on 
> >> resources, which won't matter unless you have a computer that gnome 
> >> doesn't run well on. On the other hand, mate's panels can be very odd with 
> >> orca, sometimes getting stuck and requiring a reset of orca or the panel 
> >> to fix things.
> >>
> >> Mate is a lot more configurable, but has the disadvantage of not being 
> >> able to run apps as root accessibly. At least for now. This is being 
> >> worked on right now and should be fixed shortly. Mate has a nice menu 
> >> system, with apps organized into categories. Sound and video, office, etc. 
> >> You can't search for apps like you can in gnome, to find them you have to 
> >> use the menus or add them to the desktop.
> >>
> >> You can of course create keyboard shortcuts to launch them and so on. I 
> >> can't tell you which is better because each one is preferred by different 
> >> people. But mate tends to be better on computers that don't have a lot of 
> >> power or memory. Gnome has more desktop effects and can search, but has a 
> >> lot of the more advanced functionality removed. It's really up to you, in 
> >> the end.
> >> Thanks
> >> Kendell Clark
> >>
> >>
> >> Daniel Crone wrote:
> >>> Hello.  I am curious about the advantages of gnome shell over mate, or 
> >>> vice versa.
> >>> What do you think?
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