If you haven't already done it, install espeakup. That's a connector
daemon that makes espeak-ng and speakup_soft play nicely together.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> In orca if you go into terminal then temporarily turn orca off then do:
> spd-say "Hello World!\n"
> Do you get any speech?
> If yes, turn orca back on then run spd-conf in that user terminal.
> You want a new configuration and you want a user configuration.
> One of the choices on the next prompts should be for espeak-ng.
> take that choice.
> alsa should be another choice to take.
> Then test everything and see what comes back
> I think what's going on is speech-dispatcher thinks you only have orca
> running on your system and doesn't yet know about espeak-ng.
> There may also be a connector package espeak-ng needs so it can work.
> Some users don't like linux installing dependency packages and if you are
> one of them you could have got yourself into this kind of trouble if the
> connector package wasn't installed.
> Probably by tomorrow I'll be getting one or more answers back from the
> speakup list in which case we'll get this sorted out for you.
>
>
>
> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > modprobe: FATAL: Module speakup.speakup_soft not found in directory
> > /lib/modules/5.15.0-60-generic
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:54 PM
> > To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
> > >
> > > Still no speech, insmod still fails
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
> > > To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > First try modprobe speakup_soft. If you don't get speech, could be
> > > insmod speakup_soft works. If insmod gives no errors and you get no
> > > speech after that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
> > > make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > defense of liberty:
> > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
> > > > directory
> > > > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
> > > > directory
> > > >
> > > > however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
> > > > speakup-soft?]
> > > >
> > > > speakup_soft 16384 1
> > > > speakup 167936 1 speakup_soft
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> > > > To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > >
> > > > Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > > defense of liberty:
> > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version
> > > > > update
> > > > that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but
> > > > I am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I
> > > > was about 2 clean installs ago ...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > > > > System:
> > > > > Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
> > > > > pty
> > > > pts/0
> > > > > Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$
> > > > > systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software
> > > > > speech output for Speakup
> > > > > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service;
> > > > > enabled; vendor
> > > > preset: enabled)
> > > > > Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC;
> > > > > 9min
> > > ago
> > > > > Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > > > > Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
> > > > status=0/SUCCESS)
> > > > > Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
> > > > --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> > > > > Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
> > > > > Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
> > > > > Memory: 10.5M
> > > > > CPU: 183ms
> > > > > CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > > > > ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
> > > > >
> > > > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output
> > > > > for
> > > > Speakup...
> > > > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output
> > > > > for
> > > > Speakup.
> > > > > david@ubuntu:~$
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I missing something?
> > > > >
> > > > > --David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky <dorozhin...@ukr.net>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> > > > > To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Jude DaShiell'
> > > > > <jdash...@panix.com>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At
> > > > > least in
> > > > my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to
> > > > install it manually.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
> > > > > System: Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
> > > > > bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
> > > > > Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service ?
> > > > > espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
> > > > > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service;
> > > > > enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
> > > > > Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET;
> > > > > 22min
> > > > ago
> > > > > Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > > > > Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
> > > > > Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
> > > > > Memory: 6.3M
> > > > > CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > > > > ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
> > > > >
> > > > > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software
> > > > > speech output for Speakup...
> > > > > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software
> > > > > speech output for Speakup.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Volodymyr
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
> > > > > > I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.
> > > > > > It was suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the
> > > > > > hardware I am about to be installing on [at work] but since I am
> > > > > > testing on some different hardware [at home] I can't tell if
> > > > > > that is true or not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
> > > > > > To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > > > <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what
> > > > > > you want they're not default. I've done much of it before but
> > > > > > found slint far more straightforward to get this process working
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > > > > used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an
> > > > > >> in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for
> > > > > >> lugging all the equipment along
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an
> > > > > >> easily repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider
> > > > > >> looking into switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something
> > > > > >> that would hopefully work 'out of the box'
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --David
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > > > >> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
> > > > > >> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > > >> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > >> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what
> > > > > >> kernel and version of kernel you want to install. If ubuntu
> > > > > >> hasn't got generic kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu
> > > > > >> until after installation and doing that isn't a trivial process
> > > > > >> either It's a matter of downloading the kernel image file then
> > > > > >> installing it over the kernel ubuntu put on your disk. Best
> > > > > >> done by linux experts at the linux user's group install linux
> > > > > >> club day
> > > meeting.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > > > >> used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> .
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> How do one use the generic kernel while installing? I just
> > > > > >>> pop the disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone
> > > > > >>> is reading them to me]
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> --David
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > > > >>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
> > > > > >>> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > > >>> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > >>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a
> > > > > >>> reinstall the speakup modules are in that kernel. How you
> > > > > >>> install missing modules is possible if on your disk in source
> > > > > >>> code but you'll have to build them correctly first. If you
> > > > > >>> had mlocate package installed and had done updatedb first then
> > > > > >>> you could do locate speakup_soft and find if you have that
> > > > > >>> module in source code on your
> > > > disk.
> > > > > >>> Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations could have
> > > > > >>> blacklisted all of the speakup modules. They would be on the
> > > > > >>> disk and would have first to be removed from the blacklist
> > > > > >>> then built and then installed. It's a complicated
> > > > > >> process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > > > >>> used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > >>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> .
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that
> > > > > >>>> is
> > > > > > possible?
> > > > > >>>> --David
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> > > > > >>>> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > > >>>> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > >>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all
> > > > > >>>> of the speakup modules.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > > > >>>> used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > >>>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > >>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> .
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it
> > > > > >>>>> doesn't appear the speakup module is there after the
> > > > > >>>>> install, at least I am unable to find it in the module list,
> > > > > >>>>> and modprobe doesn't seems to be able to find it either
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it
> > > > > >>>>> and wasn't able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step
> > > > > >>>>> instructions to make sure I didn't missed anything
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Thanks again ?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> --David
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> > > > > >>>>> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > > >>>>> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > >>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader. That or
> > > > > >>>>> replace ubuntu with
> > > > > >>>> another distribution.
> > > > > >>>>> You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a
> > > > > >>>>> espeak.log to
> > > > > >>>> each command then read down through espeak.log once you
> > > > > >>>> finish getting all of these failures. The ansi codes get
> > > > > >>>> stripped out that
> > > > > >> way.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > > > >>>>> used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > >>>>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > >>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> .
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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