Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
Still no speech, insmod still fails
--David
-----Original Message-----
From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
<dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
First try modprobe speakup_soft. If you don't get speech, could be insmod
speakup_soft works. If insmod gives no errors and you get no speech after
that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
> directory
> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
> directory
>
> however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
> speakup-soft?]
>
> speakup_soft 16384 1
> speakup 167936 1 speakup_soft
>
> --David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
>
>
>
> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version
> > update
> that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I
> am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I was
> about 2 clean installs ago ...
> >
> >
> > david@ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > System:
> > Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
> > pty
> pts/0
> > Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david@ubuntu:~$
> > systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software
> > speech output for Speakup
> > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled;
> > vendor
> preset: enabled)
> > Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min
ago
> > Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
> status=0/SUCCESS)
> > Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
> --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> > Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
> > Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
> > Memory: 10.5M
> > CPU: 183ms
> > CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
> >
> > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output
> > for
> Speakup...
> > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output
> > for
> Speakup.
> > david@ubuntu:~$
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky <dorozhin...@ukr.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> > To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Jude DaShiell' <jdash...@panix.com>;
> > ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At
> > least in
> my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to
> install it manually.
> >
> > Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
> >
> >
> > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
> > System: Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
> > bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
> > Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
> >
> >
> > dorozhinsky2@dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service ?
> > espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
> > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled;
> > vendor preset: enabled)
> > Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET;
> > 22min
> ago
> > Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
> > Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
> > Memory: 6.3M
> > CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
> >
> > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software
> > speech output for Speakup...
> > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software
> > speech output for Speakup.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Volodymyr
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
> > > I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.
> > > It was suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the
> > > hardware I am about to be installing on [at work] but since I am
> > > testing on some different hardware [at home] I can't tell if that
> > > is true or not
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
> > > To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you
> > > want they're not default. I've done much of it before but found
> > > slint far more straightforward to get this process working
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used
> > > in defense of liberty:
> > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an
> > >> in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for
> > >> lugging all the equipment along
> > >>
> > >> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an
> > >> easily repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider
> > >> looking into switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something
> > >> that would hopefully work 'out of the box'
> > >>
> > >> --David
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > >> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
> > >> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > >> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > >> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >>
> > >> Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what
> > >> kernel and version of kernel you want to install. If ubuntu
> > >> hasn't got generic kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu
> > >> until after installation and doing that isn't a trivial process
> > >> either It's a matter of downloading the kernel image file then
> > >> installing it over the kernel ubuntu put on your disk. Best done
> > >> by linux experts at the linux user's group install linux club day
meeting.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used
> > >> in defense of liberty:
> > >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >>
> > >> .
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> How do one use the generic kernel while installing? I just pop
> > >>> the disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is
> > >>> reading them to me]
> > >>>
> > >>> --David
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
> > >>> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > >>> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > >>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >>>
> > >>> If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a
> > >>> reinstall the speakup modules are in that kernel. How you
> > >>> install missing modules is possible if on your disk in source
> > >>> code but you'll have to build them correctly first. If you had
> > >>> mlocate package installed and had done updatedb first then you
> > >>> could do locate speakup_soft and find if you have that module in
> > >>> source code on your
> disk.
> > >>> Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations could have
> > >>> blacklisted all of the speakup modules. They would be on the
> > >>> disk and would have first to be removed from the blacklist then
> > >>> built and then installed. It's a complicated
> > >> process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > >>> used in defense of liberty:
> > >>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >>>
> > >>> .
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is
> > > possible?
> > >>>> --David
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> > >>>> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > >>>> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > >>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of
> > >>>> the speakup modules.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > >>>> used in defense of liberty:
> > >>>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > >>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> .
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't
> > >>>>> appear the speakup module is there after the install, at least
> > >>>>> I am unable to find it in the module list, and modprobe
> > >>>>> doesn't seems to be able to find it either
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it
> > >>>>> and wasn't able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step
> > >>>>> instructions to make sure I didn't missed anything
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks again ?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --David
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> > >>>>> To: David <bear...@yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > >>>>> <dorozhin...@ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader. That or replace
> > >>>>> ubuntu with
> > >>>> another distribution.
> > >>>>> You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a
> > >>>>> espeak.log to
> > >>>> each command then read down through espeak.log once you finish
> > >>>> getting all of these failures. The ansi codes get stripped out
> > >>>> that
> > >> way.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > >>>>> used in defense of liberty:
> > >>>>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > >>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> .
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>
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