Hey I'm not alone on the island....! :)
Tom, you're right I think and I agree. It is not somebody we need, it is
us. Also Juergen's proposal for having Ubuntu-be.org and setting clear
expectations I agree with, this way we can prevent disappointment from
and by others. Carrying Ubuntu-be to the funeral I would think is just a
bit too early. From the reactions, at least 5-10 people are actively
involved and able to help.
Using IRC is maybe just a little too much written words and I've got no
clue how to get it to work reliably, I think we need to get together or
at least get visual. For getting together there is the hacker space, the
facilities in Houthalen an hack - even an old school room in Bree. Is
there an open source alternative to Skype, allowing for a virtual
meeting maybe (I saw Apache's Open Meeting)? Or what if we organise a
chat/video conference from the 'local' events; Houthalen in Limburg,
Hackerspace, Brugge - can we organize it maybe in such a way that it's
all in sync; ie. every last Wednesday of the month (convenient for
LImburg, as this is the gathering date already)?
1) Do you want to help set up a booth at fosdem 2015? YES, if we can
plan ahead I would think we can get the right and motivated people
involved including this chap
2) Do you still use the website? If so, how? YES, but let's indeed make
it such that people see activity - starting with filling the agenda
showing the local activities for example
3) What information would you want to see on the new website? Haven't
really given it a thought, but one thing for sure I would like to see
and that is UP TO DATE information
Let's keep the ideas coming, I think getting around the bank account
quickly is indeed opening a new one, and make it one that we can access
and at least have some kind of redundancy. This as not to get stuck again.
I have to read and negotiate contracts all day, it would really be good
if we could talk to each other, preferably face to face. This way we
iterate in seconds rather than weeks.
Finally; let's get the link into Canonical established and strengthened.
I work for a large company and quite a large bunch is starting to use
Ubuntu also on the desktop. Ubuntu Phone is a great idea and has huge
potential, especially for cost savings. I checked how I could get our
purchasing in contact easily, but believe me, Canonical is not going to
sell the idea if they stick to how they have approached this up to now.
I would think, certainly in Europe, they have a wide enough network of
enthusiasts and could easily bundle the network to get aggressive into
offering savings to large and medium size companies. As far as I'm
concerned I use the software that they have ubuntu-ed, it is this
creation that binds us - the reason why I spend my time locally to help
people is for ubuntu, and also as a kind of payback to Canonical because
they have created a magnificent piece of software. Not only them, but
they are for me one of the main forces behind humanizing Linux! Credit
to Mark Shuttleworth for all that. Taking Ubuntu-be to the graveyard
doesn't seem the best way to help and show a kind of gratitude.
Too many words written already, and hail to he/she who came to this
point. How to go forward? Let's use 8D methodology and get this going.
1) Plan - revive Ubuntu-be and prevent it from going quiet again
2) The core-team members proposed, let me know who disagrees or cannot
pick up;
a) kawabill
b) nero
c) Frank Neirynck
d) Tom Verlinden
e) Jan Bongaerts
f) Merlijn Sebrechts
g) Alain Daudrez
3) The problem; Ubuntu-be is dying
4) Temporary fix;
aa) website is not upto date (whom can take action and when?)
bb) bank account needs to be corrected (to open a new one I can
pick up the action and can have it done within two weeks, with regards
to the old one whom can get the responsible person to help organize it
such that we have multiple Ubuntu-ers to get access and when?)
cc) support point map - remove ghost accounts and update or allow
for updated information (whom can take action and when?)
dd) Limburg event box - Wouter, please drop me an e-mail where I
can come and pick it up and get it into my storage garage)
ee) Setup a web-meeting last Wednesday of May (May 28th), we can
use Skype, Google hangout or maybe someone can help build Open Meeting
for Ubuntu (I don't mind planning and coordinating, whom can help setup
the technical side of it all, Nero???)
Let's get this going before we start root-cause analysis, and when need
please team up where you can. Myself I'm not really good at using
Drupal, I've build my own in HTML, but I sure could help cleaning up and
updating.
Your comments please?
Bill
On 01-05-14 12:39, tom verlinden wrote:
Thanks for your info on this. I've always thought that this certain
"somebody" should comprise out of more than one person. One person
can't take this on his or her shoulders. There's too much, from what
i'm reading, for one person to do and be succesfull about it. There
should be a team of somebodies, all doing somewhat the same, but in
different locations. (Does that make sense?) Is there a need for a
central organ? To me that makes it too complicated already, and might
create expectations, that cannot be fullfilled. Anyway, there's need,
i guess to promote ubuntu, as Bill said. Now we have to figure out how
to do this in a fun way, i guess.
Op 1 mei 2014 12:27 schreef "Jurgen Gaeremyn"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Tom,
the strongest periods of Ubuntu-be were when one single person
actually kept his shoulders under the project. In the past we had
a few of these people. Thing is: ubuntu-be.org
<http://ubuntu-be.org> should set clear expectations: what (not)
to expect: a spokesman, the official stance of Ubuntu on whatever
Belgian activity, guaranteed support, etc...
If someone stands up and is prepared to take leadership, you will
quickly have a core team of somewhere between 5 and 10 or even
more if you do a great job. If you're willing to take up this
commitment, you'll be doing Ubuntu-be a big favour. Problem is,
apparently this mythical figure called "somebody" we're all
talking about and who'll do all the practical stuff like maintain
the website, organise event booths, create content, etc... isn't
on this list anymore. Not sure if he ever was.
Please, do give it a chance. First things first - canonical
approval is not a problem if you can prove you're active. I'm
assuming someone here will be able to tell you more details on this.
Grtz,
Jurgen.
On 01-05-14 12:11, tom verlinden wrote:
I don't know about organizing a funeral just yet. Maybe ubuntu.be
<http://ubuntu.be> could be a commonplace for those using and or
discovering ubuntu but more in a fun sort of way. Don't know if
i'm saying this right, but i think you get the picture. There
doesn't need to be a central person or spokesman imho. Makes it
far too official. The first goal should be, in my humble opinion,
to get people to discover ubuntu. Maybe by promoting this list we
could get more people discovering the os. As far as i'm
concerned, i use ubuntu, talk about it and show it to whoever i
think might be interrested, give support where i can and drop
leaflets in our library. (They're also on ubuntu. Woot!!)
I think that if we do our part any wich way we can, on our little
"islands", and use the net, list as our "glue", who knows what
can happen in the future? Is there still a connection with
canonical? How does that work? Hell, typing this gets me all
fired up to give this a chance. What do you guys think? Give it
some kind of try, or just leave, and do something on our own? (I
think we could achieve more together, but i'd like to hear your
opinion). My 2 cents....
Op 30 apr. 2014 07:30 schreef "kawabill" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
What triggered me was a mail I got from someone in the
community, stating that he rather spent his time otherwise,
declining an invitation I had sent him. No problem of course,
but it took me to the following page;
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings
No activities are visible for me the visitor, going over the
pages it seems that the latest info dates from 2012. I know
activities are still going on, organized by enthusiasts on a
very local scale, but for me it is not visible whether all of
this is coordinated.
I find it a pity, that in the period where MS end of lifes XP
I don't see any coordinated activity to get people over into
the Ubuntu/Mint/Linux camp.
Can anyone please comment and give feedback or let me know
I'm wrong and I seem to live life on a desolate space outside
of the Ubuntu community?
Have a nice day.
Bill
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