I reread all mails and read the new mails. I'm not interested in
continuing the discussion.

> > On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:23, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote:
> > Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41:
> >> 
> >> there is ... see ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.cache/upstart/
> >> (and there will be a systemd one as well, once switched to systemd user
> >> sessions)
> > 
> > The first file is loaded with random errors but I see some services being 
> > started.

Btw. Oli perhaps doesn't mean the content of the files.

Regards,
Ralf

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