They have given up individual SMS charging in Norway too. Also the content could be en compressed inside the encryption so that it might not require so many SMS-es. Den 17. juli 2013 21:08 skrev "Gianguido Sorà" <[email protected]> følgende:
> Exactly, in the USA there are unlimited SMS but in other countries there > aren't. > In Italy for example if an operator give 200/month is a great deal. > I think that the XMPP approach is more useful, because (almost) free 3G/4G > data access is more reliable and easy to use. > Il giorno 17/lug/2013 20:57, "Josh Leverette" <[email protected]> ha > scritto: > >> I didn't say linking. Just breaking it up and sending them out. It's the >> user's choice. Encrypting it won't make it take up more space necessarily. >> If the user wants to send that many messages, they can. In a number of >> countries, SMS is unlimited. Here in the United States, all of the >> companies essentially gave up on charging for each message. It really is >> absolutely free for the cell company, and once one of them started offering >> unlimited SMS, none of the others could do any less and be competitive. >> Doing an XMPP system would work too, but that requires having a data >> connection, which should always be more expensive than SMS, realistically. >> I'm fine with it being XMPP, but the advantage of using SMS is that it >> works even when you barely have any signal, and SMS is dirt cheap compared >> to data, at least here in the United States. I can't speak about the rest >> of the world, but SMS as a technology is infinitely cheaper. Whether the >> company chooses to charge appropriately, that's up to them. >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Rasmus Eneman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Linking SMS cost money, you have to pay for every SMS. Also I'm pretty >>> sure you only can link up to 4 SMSes. >>> However an XMPP based service would still be better as key exchange may >>> happen automagically. You have >>> already broken the standard so why continue to use it when you only gets >>> its limitations? >>> >>> >>> 2013/7/17 Josh Leverette <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Also, I don't see why encrypting SMS would be impossible. You don't >>>> send encrypted SMS to people who can't decrypt them. Since we're talking >>>> about asymmetric encryption anyways, then the only people *you could >>>> even think* *of* sending encrypted SMS to are people for whom you have >>>> a public key. If you don't have a public key for a contact, then obviously >>>> you have no method of encrypting a message to them. But, more importantly, >>>> you can always break up an SMS into multiple SMS as the need arises, so >>>> length isn't an issue as long as the user knows how many messages it will >>>> form. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Mike Bybee <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, SMS obviously can't do GPG due to character limits - however, >>>>> there are dozens of varieties of secure SMS tools currently on Android. It >>>>> seems that some variety encryption could be supported by the default >>>>> client >>>>> - much like OTR for Pidgin, etc. >>>>> Not that it should default to it - that would be awful. But that it >>>>> should be able to have an easy to enable option. >>>>> >>>>> There's a lot of people world wide mad about security right now - and >>>>> if Ubuntu Touch can eventually ship with a good basic set of security >>>>> options, it will appeal to people who otherwise might have no reason to >>>>> use >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Rasmus Eneman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You can't have GPG on SMS as it can't handle that amount of >>>>>> characters. Also it would be stupid >>>>>> as no one can't receive GPG/PGP SMS. If this feature is realy wanted >>>>>> on Ubuntu to Ubuntu >>>>>> then implementing something like iMessage or Hangouts should be done >>>>>> using XMPP and bound >>>>>> to the Ubuntu One account. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/7/17 Mike Bybee <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. I think with PRISM and it's various world-wide equivalents, >>>>>>> we're all thinking about this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Josh Leverette <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm still waiting on the actual native email client to be written. >>>>>>>> Once that happens, adding encryption should be relatively trivial. So, >>>>>>>> whenever that happens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mike Bybee >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are there currently any plans to make sure the ubuntu mail app >>>>>>>>> will support gpg or some other standard - and likewise for SMS? >>>>>>>>> I know right now it just uses webmail, but I'm sure that's not the >>>>>>>>> long term goal >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Mike Bybee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Mike Bybee >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Rasmus Eneman >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Mike Bybee >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Josh >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rasmus Eneman >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Josh >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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