"Who uses SMS much anyway these days ? Its all IM." You have no idea how much I wish that were true. For me and my friends though, it couldn't be further from the truth. All we use is SMS, practically speaking.
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Alan Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > Who uses SMS much anyway these days ? Its all IM. > We used to use small electronic boards from Bladox to encrypt SMS in the > past but that was before IM and smart phones. > There is very clear need for some kind of encryption proxy built into > Ubuntu that could provide point to point encryption. I have always liked > Phil Zimmermanns ZPHONE and how it worked. It sits in the protocol stack > and when it detects another ZPHONE it jumps up and opportunistically > encrypts using ZRTP. > The key is generated in the media stream and wiped afterwards so no public > key is needed, just verbal verification of the fingerprint strings. > > Two ubuntu phones no matter which service they used would be able to send > and receive encrypted messages or even audio point to point. > OTR can easily be implemented as well. > All that is needed is a way to announce to the world that you are capable > of encryption and to do that all you need is to transmit a character at the > beginning of each message and that can used to trigger OTR or ZRTP. > The fingerprint strings could be brought up to the UI easily enough at the > top like the battery or Wifi indicators and pulled down to view and verify. > > While we are on this topic, could someone get crypto.cat working on > ubuntu as an app ? > > On 18 Jul, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Marius Kotsbak <[email protected]> wrote: > > They have given up individual SMS charging in Norway too. Also the content > could be en compressed inside the encryption so that it might not require > so many SMS-es. > Den 17. juli 2013 21:08 skrev "Gianguido Sorà" <[email protected]> > følgende: > >> Exactly, in the USA there are unlimited SMS but in other countries there >> aren't. >> In Italy for example if an operator give 200/month is a great deal. >> I think that the XMPP approach is more useful, because (almost) free >> 3G/4G data access is more reliable and easy to use. >> Il giorno 17/lug/2013 20:57, "Josh Leverette" <[email protected]> ha >> scritto: >> >>> I didn't say linking. Just breaking it up and sending them out. It's the >>> user's choice. Encrypting it won't make it take up more space necessarily. >>> If the user wants to send that many messages, they can. In a number of >>> countries, SMS is unlimited. Here in the United States, all of the >>> companies essentially gave up on charging for each message. It really is >>> absolutely free for the cell company, and once one of them started offering >>> unlimited SMS, none of the others could do any less and be competitive. >>> Doing an XMPP system would work too, but that requires having a data >>> connection, which should always be more expensive than SMS, realistically. >>> I'm fine with it being XMPP, but the advantage of using SMS is that it >>> works even when you barely have any signal, and SMS is dirt cheap compared >>> to data, at least here in the United States. I can't speak about the rest >>> of the world, but SMS as a technology is infinitely cheaper. Whether the >>> company chooses to charge appropriately, that's up to them. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Rasmus Eneman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Linking SMS cost money, you have to pay for every SMS. Also I'm pretty >>>> sure you only can link up to 4 SMSes. >>>> However an XMPP based service would still be better as key exchange may >>>> happen automagically. You have >>>> already broken the standard so why continue to use it when you only >>>> gets its limitations? >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/7/17 Josh Leverette <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Also, I don't see why encrypting SMS would be impossible. You don't >>>>> send encrypted SMS to people who can't decrypt them. Since we're talking >>>>> about asymmetric encryption anyways, then the only people *you could >>>>> even think* *of* sending encrypted SMS to are people for whom you >>>>> have a public key. If you don't have a public key for a contact, then >>>>> obviously you have no method of encrypting a message to them. But, more >>>>> importantly, you can always break up an SMS into multiple SMS as the need >>>>> arises, so length isn't an issue as long as the user knows how many >>>>> messages it will form. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Mike Bybee <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, SMS obviously can't do GPG due to character limits - however, >>>>>> there are dozens of varieties of secure SMS tools currently on Android. >>>>>> It >>>>>> seems that some variety encryption could be supported by the default >>>>>> client >>>>>> - much like OTR for Pidgin, etc. >>>>>> Not that it should default to it - that would be awful. But that it >>>>>> should be able to have an easy to enable option. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's a lot of people world wide mad about security right now - and >>>>>> if Ubuntu Touch can eventually ship with a good basic set of security >>>>>> options, it will appeal to people who otherwise might have no reason to >>>>>> use >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Rasmus Eneman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You can't have GPG on SMS as it can't handle that amount of >>>>>>> characters. Also it would be stupid >>>>>>> as no one can't receive GPG/PGP SMS. If this feature is realy wanted >>>>>>> on Ubuntu to Ubuntu >>>>>>> then implementing something like iMessage or Hangouts should be done >>>>>>> using XMPP and bound >>>>>>> to the Ubuntu One account. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/7/17 Mike Bybee <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. I think with PRISM and it's various world-wide equivalents, >>>>>>>> we're all thinking about this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Josh Leverette < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm still waiting on the actual native email client to be written. >>>>>>>>> Once that happens, adding encryption should be relatively trivial. So, >>>>>>>>> whenever that happens. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mike Bybee >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are there currently any plans to make sure the ubuntu mail app >>>>>>>>>> will support gpg or some other standard - and likewise for SMS? >>>>>>>>>> I know right now it just uses webmail, but I'm sure that's not >>>>>>>>>> the long term goal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Mike Bybee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Mike Bybee >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Rasmus Eneman >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Mike Bybee >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Josh >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rasmus Eneman >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sincerely, >>> Josh >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > -- Sincerely, Josh
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