> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:02:41AM +0530, Moinak Ghosh wrote:
> > 
> > This  allowance is  necessary  because Solaris  has a  whole
> > bunch  of third-party  software that  uses Solaris  internal
> > APIs  and  code.  These  will become  instantly  illegal  if
> > OpenSolaris were to use GPL.
> 
> Thanks for  the clarification  Moinak. This freedom  is needed
> for other projects based on OpenSolaris to take off ..
> 
> Hope you guys are  following gnusolaris. This projecte started
> about six months ago. Objective being to have the best of both
> worlds. The  abundance of GNU  software running on top  of the
> stability of the OpenSolaris kernel.
> 
> http://gnusolaris.org

   Yes we are very much following this project with interest. It is
   basically debian on top of OpenSolaris kernel.  BTW once
   the Branded Zones project is complete we can have best of
   all worlds on a single instance of Solaris.

   That is we can have a plain OpenSolaris distro running a GNU
   Solaris version in one or more zones.

Regards,
Moinak.

> 
> The  last month  their alpha  was released  under the  name of
> Nexenta OS, which to me appears a fork of Debian riding on top
> of OpenSolaris. Need to create some space in my box to try out
> such things.  From what  I read,  they have  a huge  amount of
> Debian  stuff  ported  already  for the  alpha  release.  With
> apt-get already functional along  with associated utils (dpkg,
> dselect etc)  things seem  to be progressing  at a  good pace.
> Between last evening and today, 16 packages have been added to
> the list !
> 
> >
> > SUN  does  not   own  full  rights  to  some   of  the  code
> > in  Solaris  and  thus   cannot  open-source  it.  Obviously
> > replacement  code  needs  to  be  written  for  these  stuff
> > so  that  those  can  be   open-sourced.  But  that  is  the
> > long-term  work. A  few  of these  are required  components.
> > So  in  the meantime  to  allow  OpenSolaris distros  to  be
> > able  to  build  a bootable  environment,  these  restricted
> > components are distributed  as binary-only components. These
> > are  only  a few  eg  -  Math  library,  a couple  of  other
> > libs,  a  few  commands,  a  few  kernel  modules.  You  can
> > look  at  the  "O/N   Binary-Only  Components,  English"  at
> > http://www.genunix.org/mirror/index.html
> >
> 
> Yup, this makes things clear. Thanks.
> 
> > Some of it is actually a  bit silly. Things like "od" (Octal
> > Dump)  are closed  source because  they contain  source code
> > derived from Microsoft's Xenix! Now  how much effort does it
> > take to  rewrite od  ? Probably the  community can  help out
> > with this.
> 
> Why not rm -rf xenix_od ? The GNU od is pretty good. This used
> to  be a  portion of  textutils before.  Presently, textutils,
> fileutils and  shellutils have  been clubbed together  under a
> single package 'coreutils'. It may not be 'od' per se which is
> the  issue, but  the  other  stuff of  coreutils  are used  by
> virtually every script. Just accepting GNU coreutils would get
> rid of any xenix related problems for a lot of crucial stuff.
> 
> > > Are  crucial things  like kernel,  essential C  libs, ZFS,
> > > dtrace and other 'goodies' affected ?
> > >
> > Nope. The kernel, libc, and all the Solaris 10 new features,
> > are open-source. I guess 90% of the core Solaris source-base
> > in open-source and more are being added.
> 
> This sure is encouraging to hear ...
> 
> > BTW  I  am  not  using the  closed-source  math  library  in
> > BeleniX. I  am using  FreeBSD's math  library, which  I have
> > modified and  enhanced. FreeBSD's  Math library was  in fact
> > donated by SUN back in 1993!
> 
> Thanks for this  info ... I was under the  impression that the
> core libs used in the *BSD collection was an original BSD port
> ... never  knew the  Solaris connection !  Keep on  feeding us
> this sort of stuff, would clear a lot of misconceptions ...
> 
> And keep up the good work, all you loonies on belenix.
> 
> Bish
> 
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