Mulindwa, about Opoka you say: "He denied he ever was in Luwero."
No, he NEVER did. Kasangwawo
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Subject: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:08:30 -0400
Omukadde Semakula,
You and some netters have made an allegation that Mr. Opoka was the Head of Military Intelligence and that his activities in Luwero during Obote's times are well known. You of course want people to believe that he participated personally in Luwero massacres. These are very serious allegations. He responded that the head of military evidence was well known and he referred you to the Director of Records in UPDF. He denied he ever was in Luwero. Now you are talking of Gestapo almost comparing MI in Obote's time to Gestapo.
Just like you have compared Obote's times in 1960 with Museveni's now on the question of the press by producing evidence in the form of a letter from a victim, Neogy.
Before I asked you to produce evidence from the victims of Opoka, can you first produce any evidence at all of any writing about the wrong doings of military intelliengence written between 1981 and 1985 when Obote 11 government was in power? Anything from newspapers in Uganda, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Churches? Surely if this man was the head of Military Intelligence and Military Intelligence was like Gestapo, the evidence should be at finger tips!! Was he even mentioned in the Reports of the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights Abuse in Uganda from 1962 to 1985?
The danger I am seeing in your allegations is your credibility and that of your cronies being at stake. Otherwise your witch-hunt may turn to haunt you for making allegations driven mainly by your political dislike of a fellow Ugandan. Mwaami Ssemakula all I am asking for is a back up of your allegations, for as Ugandans I think we are entitled to it. And now that you are making them on forums I am not a member, please forward my concerns to you accordingly.
But be well.
Em
The Mulindwas communication group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
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From: J Ssemakula
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Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
Mr. Potosi Netters,
1. I do not recall pronouncing an opinion about "Neogy, Abu Mayanja, Ali Mazur", but this doesn't prevent anyone else from doing so. My intent in posting those excerpts, speaking of which you may expect more, is to use "bwino" to refute this hogwash floating around about how great Obote was; and to show similiraties between his tactics and style of government and that of Museveni. Anyone who does not not agree with anything is free to tell us about it, and to defend his/her position vs. the "ink", rather than me, since I did not write it (I am just a simple messenger).
2. Where have I stated that it is impossible or even undesirable to "all work together at some level"?
3. All Mr. Chirs Opoka was asked whether he is now, or if he has ever been in any of the intelligence agencies of any government of Uganda; and if so which? I agree with Mr Potosi "That, per say, it is never a crime to accept employment in the Public service of your country!!". But that does not answer the question that was raised. However, Mr. Opoka's refusal to address the issue speaks volumes.
Mr. Potosi (and others), would you consider membership in the Gestapo and other death-squads as 'service to your country'? Why or why not? What of membership in Kalangala Action Plan?
Mr. Potosi, how does any of this mount to a suggestion that we "dismiss Mr. Chris Opoka's suggestion"?
Finally Mr. Potosi, given the demonstrable fact that in, in NONE of the offensive (Transition) articles did I ever mention Mr. Chris Opoka's name even once, where does all this come from? Are you perhaps confusing me with someone else? Perhaps you are just making assumptions (jumping to conclusions?).
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From: "Mitayo Potosi"
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Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:09:31 +0000
Mr. Ssemakula and netters,
This all about "Transition", Neogy, Abu Mayanja, Ali Mazuri etc... is all well and good.
But, are we just going to dismiss Mr. Chris Opoka's suggestion that irrespective of our differences, there are some national aspects that demand that we all work together at some level?
Some went off-tangent with allegations of Mr. Opoka having served his country in some capacity or another. May be it needs to be stressed once again. That, per say, it is never a crime to accept employment in the Public service of your country!!
May be many of us also have opinions about "The Transition", Neogy, Abu Mayanja, Ali Mazur and so on, but at the end of the day we all are still bleeding under a junta imposed on us by Celtic-Anglo-Saxon imperialism!!
Our people are now living like serfs in their homeland!! Our people in Acholi Province are literally being exterminated!!
I beg that we soberly again look at Mr. Opoka's suggestion of constructing some platform to pull together our energies, to address common problems in our country!!
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"Ivinicus factus sum veritabem diceus." ( I have become an enemy for speaking the truth ) St Paul!
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Mitayo Potosi
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Here is a 17K pdf attachment (clear text available) to remind us of Obote's idea of nivarna. It was written some 30 years ago.
It appeared in Transition whose editor, the late Rajat Neogy, had just 'graduated' with honors, from Luzira 'university' and countless others were busy toiling on their 'studies', at various 'extension branches of the univesity'. Transition had taken a couple of years without appearing, and when it did, it was from Accra, Ghana.
ssemakula
ps:-
the author also wrote/edited/co-authored:
- African images : racism and the end of anthropology (1996)
- Cattle and kinship among the Gogo; a semi-pastoral society of Central Tanzania (1969)
- Cattle, capitalism, and class : Ilparakuyo Maasai transformations (1992)
- Persistent pastoralists : nomadic societies in transition (1985)
- Society and social change in Eastern Africa (ca. 1969)
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Netters,
Here is a 17K pdf attachment (clear text available) to remind us of Obote's idea of nivarna. It was written some 30 years ago.
It appeared in Transition whose editor, the late Rajat Neogy, had just 'graduated' with honors, from Luzira 'university' and countless others were busy toiling on their 'studies', at various 'extension branches of the univesity'. Transition had taken a couple of years without appearing, and when it did, it was from Accra, Ghana.
ssemakula
ps:-
the author also wrote/edited/co-authored:
- African images : racism and the end of anthropology (1996)
- Cattle and kinship among the Gogo; a semi-pastoral society of Central Tanzania (1969)
- Cattle, capitalism, and class : Ilparakuyo Maasai transformations (1992)
- Persistent pastoralists : nomadic societies in transition (1985)
- Society and social change in Eastern Africa (ca. 1969)
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