Kasangwawo
As always I did not expect you to respond.
Em
The Mulindwas communication group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> Mulindwa,
>
> don't embarass yourself further. You are all over the place: Toronto,
> Luwero, my name, NRM agents, Opoka's issue, Nakulabye, you name it.
>
> If you are looking among your friends for people who know me, you must be
> looking in the wrong place, for I would hardly associate with that class.
> But I can assure you that there are many netters who know me by that name
> and no other. They do not need to give evidence because this is not a
court
> and you are not a judge.
>
> Mulindwa, when are you going to learn to read other netters' postings with
> some attention to detail ? I, or for that Mw. Ssemakula, have nothing to
> apologize for. The allegation was made by another netter and not the two
of
> us (you have obstinately failed to recognize this fact). I had actually
> closed this issue, for as Mw. Ssemakula had said:'silence [Opoka's in this
> case] speaks volumes'. But then you stirred up everything again with your
> uninvited comments and speculations.
>
> You picked on me because I'm probably the fiercest critic of your group's
> attacks on Buganda/Baganda, but I'll continue to react whenever I feel I'm
> being pushed to the wall as a Muganda. However, I find your strategy to be
> quite strange. We all know that you and your group hate the NRM & its
> leader, but then why do you attack Buganda/Baganda instead ? Is, in your
> opinion, Buganda ruling the country ?
>
> Kasangwawo
>
>
> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:45:11 -0400
> >
> > Kasangwawo
> >
> > Coming from a prominent family does not guarantee having an ability to
> >poses a computer, and I have seen very many you will not be the first. So
> >throw that excuse out. I use the name Mulindwa because that is my name
from
> >day one, I have all Toronto to witness that it is my name ask any one of
> >them in the forum for I have nothing to hide. Apparently even the
majority
> >know even where I live, again for I have nothing to hide. So do not doubt
> >me, get any netter in Toronto at your own choosing and ask him/her, who
is
> >Mulindwa and they will tell you that we know him.
> >
> >Kasangwawo which netter in this forum can witness that he/she knows you
as
> >Mr. Kasangwawo?
> >
> >Any Ugandan who lives in your city and will verify that you are surely
Mr.
> >Kasangwawo?
> >
> >You came into a forum with a fake name and you not only expect us to
> >believe
> >what you post as God's truth but you have as well gained a rank of
> >attacking
> >Ugandans. That is unacceptable. What I posted was not threats, Kasangwawo
> >how many netters are in these forums, why not Lutimba Matovu, why not
> >Vukoni, why not Matekopoko, Or Yaobang why did I pin point you?
> >
> > It is good that you have publicly stated that you do not know for a
fact
> >that Chris Opoka was in Luwero, now what a gentleman does he apologise
the
> >crap you have been feeding in the forum, and that goes for Ssemakula. Now
> >let us consider this case closed for I know both of you will do the only
> >right thing you have to do. The people we have in Toronto if they did any
> >crimes to Ugandans we surely will not keep them and of all people you
> >should
> >know that when you come into this city when you are wrong we expose you
for
> >we have done that before and not once. But one thing we do not do, we do
> >not
> >attack people's character for we have a political difference, we fight
that
> >politically. But what you did here was to run all over the place looking
> >for
> >any body to be responsible for the failures of your country, one day it
is
> >Obote the other day it is Akena then it goes to Chris Opoka on and on.
One
> >challenge that has stood so far is what are the facts? And you have lost
in
> >all of them my friend with a made name.
> >
> > Lastly yes I had to be incensed by Opoka's issue for he was not the
first
> >person to be attacked with these statements we must believe with out
asking
> >questions, you remember the ones where "Obote said a good Muganda is a
dead
> >one"? All you want to do is to make some allegation and you think people
> >against
> >who you make the allegations must be the ones to deny it!! Why should
they
> >waste time on some of you guys who only post crap and act as killer
> >Museveni
> >agents
> >on the net to provoke his opponents. It is interesting that every year
when
> >Mr. Opoka comes with serious issues about our country, NRM agents come
out
> >with the
> >Ghost of Luwero. Sometime ago it was Ronald Mugisha another fake name
like
> >you. Last year it was Phil Mwebesa another fake name like you and an
agent
> >of NRM.
> >
> >Some of us are tired and we feel that we have a country with serious
> >problems and we need serious solutions, we think that we have sat on the
> >peripheral when
> >we are listening over and over of how Nakulabye was attacked and people
> >died
> >about 40 years ago so we must spend all our adult life crying about that
> >incidence. Or we must be good Ugandans who must support groups like
> >Federalism, which have now clearly demonstrated that they are not
> >nationalistic organisations. No. Our kids are growing up and fast, we
want
> >to die when our kids have a right to go to Uganda and stay, we want to be
> >able to have a country
> >which reads a budget when it can finance at least 80% of it. So keeping
on
> >looking for any body to complain about is a no go. And trust me if you
had
> >attacked another Ugandan I would have still come in.
> >Good Evening Sir. (What ever your right name is)
> > Em
> > The Mulindwas communication group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:39 AM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> >
> >
> > > Mulindwa,
> > >
> > > stop your pretences ! I'm not scared of your threats. You neither know
> >me
> > > nor do I know you. Just because you use the name 'Mulindwa' does not
> >mean
> > > that other netters also use false names. If the name Kasangwawo is new
> >to
> > > you, too bad, but this doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.If, as you
> >say,
> >I
> > > was from such "a prominent family in Uganda", I wonder why I would be
> > > borrowing the computer from a Nakyewombekedde as you claimed in one of
> >your
> > > previous rantings. This is but just another of your usual
speculations -
> >a
> > > distraction tactic.
> > >
> > > But back to the issue. I don't know for a fact that Chris Opoka was in
> > > Luwero and I never claimed I did. This is exactly what some of us were
> > > trying to find out. Still, he has never denied that he was - something
> >that
> > > you were falsely attributing to him. So, as things stand, the
allegation
> > > from one netter still stands.
> > >
> > > I don't give a damn whether you know Chris Opoka or where he lives.
This
> >is
> > > beside the point. I also don't care whether you have "former majors
and
> > > captains and DC's" in Toronto. If they are known to have killed
innocent
> > > civilians, I don't want anything to do with them.
> > >
> > > Who are you to tell me to shut up and why are you so incensed about
> >Opoka's
> > > issue ? Could it be that you know something that we don't ?
> > > Why is it you, Mulindwa, speaking on behalf of Opoka ?
> > >
> > > Kasangwawo
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> > > >Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:07:23 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Kasangwawo
> > > >
> > > >Do you know for a fact that Chris Opoka was in Luwero and he is
> >responsible
> > > >for killing Ugandans? This is a straight question, and if it is just
> >one
> >of
> > > >your Mmumbo Jumbo in the forum trying to feed on spoiling people's
> >names
> > > >say
> > > >so. But if you have no facts about the man shut up.
> > > >
> > > >This is really getting on my nerves. And let me say this, that I know
> >Chris
> > > >Opoka, I know where he lives and he has never hidden his identity
what
> >so
> > > >ever. But few days ago I found out that the person who uses the name
> > > >Kasangwawo is from a prominent family in Uganda. This family has no
> >name
> >of
> > > >Kasangwawo what so ever. Then the right question becomes why are you
> > > >calling
> > > >your self Kasangwawo and not your real name, you a man who is right
in
> >the
> > > >face of Ugandans? We are in exile and among us are people who worked
in
> > > >previous governments right from the colonial era. Many of them if not
> >all
> > > >we
> > > >know, but in Toronto we have former majors and captains and DC's.
This
> >is
> >a
> > > >country which recognises the law to the extent that war crimes are
> >being
> > > >taken to court to people who are 80 years plus. But these have to be
> >facts
> > > >not warming up our mouths when ever we loose a topic to post on
> >Ugandanet.
> > > >So why do we have Ugandans who have a chance to be on Ugandanet and
who
> > > >live
> > > >under the cover of names like Kasangwawo to belittle other members?
> > > >Kasangwawo who exactly are you hiding from to call your self your
real
> > > >name?
> > > >What did you do in Uganda and in Luwero to be specific?
> > > >
> > > >I saw this stupidity rampanting in Uganda about Paul Muwanga, he was
> > > >arrested and sent to Luzira, how many cases was he found guilty of?
> > > >These are very strange days indeed. And Kasangwawo fight my comments
> >about
> > > >your using a hidden name and I will surprise the hell out of your
> >pants.
> > > >Em
> > > > The Mulindwas communication group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 12:16 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Mulindwa,
> > > >
> > > >about Opoka you say: "He denied he ever was in Luwero."
> > > >
> > > >No, he NEVER did.
> > > >
> > > >Kasangwawo
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> > > > >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:08:30 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Omukadde Semakula,
> > > > >
> > > > >You and some netters have made an allegation that Mr. Opoka was the
> >Head
> > > >of
> > > > >Military Intelligence and that his activities in Luwero during
> >Obote's
> > > > >times are well known. You of course want people to believe that he
> > > > >participated personally in Luwero massacres. These are very serious
> > > > >allegations. He responded that the head of military evidence was
well
> > > >known
> > > > >and he referred you to the Director of Records in UPDF. He denied
he
> >ever
> > > > >was in Luwero. Now you are talking of Gestapo almost comparing MI
in
> > > > >Obote's time to Gestapo.
> > > > >
> > > > >Just like you have compared Obote's times in 1960 with Museveni's
now
> >on
> > > > >the question of the press by producing evidence in the form of a
> >letter
> > > > >from a victim, Neogy.
> > > > >
> > > > >Before I asked you to produce evidence from the victims of Opoka,
can
> >you
> > > > >first produce any evidence at all of any writing about the wrong
> >doings
> > > >of
> > > > >military intelliengence written between 1981 and 1985 when Obote 11
> > > > >government was in power? Anything from newspapers in Uganda,
Amnesty
> > > > >International, Human Rights Watch, Churches? Surely if this man was
> >the
> > > > >head of Military Intelligence and Military Intelligence was like
> >Gestapo,
> > > > >the evidence should be at finger tips!! Was he even mentioned in
the
> > > > >Reports of the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights Abuse in
Uganda
> >from
> > > > >1962 to 1985?
> > > > >
> > > > >The danger I am seeing in your allegations is your credibility and
> >that
> > > >of
> > > > >your cronies being at stake. Otherwise your witch-hunt may turn to
> >haunt
> > > > >you for making allegations driven mainly by your political dislike
of
> >a
> > > > >fellow Ugandan. Mwaami Ssemakula all I am asking for is a back up
of
> >your
> > > > >allegations, for as Ugandans I think we are entitled to it. And now
> >that
> > > > >you are making them on forums I am not a member, please forward my
> > > >concerns
> > > > >to you accordingly.
> > > > >But be well.
> > > > >Em
> > > > > The Mulindwas communication group
> > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: J Ssemakula
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 7:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Potosi Netters,
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I do not recall pronouncing an opinion about "Neogy, Abu
> >Mayanja,
> > > >Ali
> > > > >Mazur", but this doesn't prevent anyone else from doing so. My
intent
> >in
> > > > >posting those excerpts, speaking of which you may expect more, is
to
> >use
> > > > >"bwino" to refute this hogwash floating around about how great
Obote
> >was;
> > > > >and to show similiraties between his tactics and style of
government
> >and
> > > > >that of Museveni. Anyone who does not not agree with anything is
free
> >to
> > > > >tell us about it, and to defend his/her position vs. the "ink",
> >rather
> > > >than
> > > > >me, since I did not write it (I am just a simple messenger).
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Where have I stated that it is impossible or even undesirable
> >to
> > > >"all
> > > > >work together at some level"?
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. All Mr. Chirs Opoka was asked whether he is now, or if he
has
> >ever
> > > > >been in any of the intelligence agencies of any government of
Uganda;
> >and
> > > > >if so which? I agree with Mr Potosi "That, per say, it is never a
> >crime
> > > > >to accept employment in the Public service of your country!!".
But
> >that
> > > > >does not answer the question that was raised. However, Mr. Opoka's
> > > >refusal
> > > > >to address the issue speaks volumes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Potosi (and others), would you consider membership in the
> >Gestapo
> > > > >and other death-squads as 'service to your country'? Why or why
not?
> >What
> > > > >of membership in Kalangala Action Plan?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Potosi, how does any of this mount to a suggestion that we
> > > >"dismiss
> > > > >Mr. Chris Opoka's suggestion"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally Mr. Potosi, given the demonstrable fact that in, in NONE
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > >offensive (Transition) articles did I ever mention Mr. Chris
Opoka's
> >name
> > > > >even once, where does all this come from? Are you perhaps confusing
> >me
> > > >with
> > > > >someone else? Perhaps you are just making assumptions (jumping to
> > > > >conclusions?).
> > > > >
> > > > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "Mitayo Potosi"
> > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:09:31 +0000
> > > > > Mr. Ssemakula and netters,
> > > > >
> > > > > This all about "Transition", Neogy, Abu Mayanja, Ali Mazuri
etc...
> >is
> > > > >all well and good.
> > > > > But, are we just going to dismiss Mr. Chris Opoka's suggestion
> >that
> > > > >irrespective of our differences, there are some national aspects
that
> > > > >demand that we all work together at some level?
> > > > >
> > > > > Some went off-tangent with allegations of Mr. Opoka having
served
> >his
> > > > >country in some capacity or another. May be it needs to be stressed
> >once
> > > > >again. That, per say, it is never a crime to accept employment in
the
> > > > >Public service of your country!!
> > > > >
> > > > > May be many of us also have opinions about "The Transition",
> >Neogy,
> > > >Abu
> > > > >Mayanja, Ali Mazur and so on, but at the end of the day we all are
> >still
> > > > >bleeding under a junta imposed on us by Celtic-Anglo-Saxon
> >imperialism!!
> > > > > Our people are now living like serfs in their homeland!! Our
> >people
> >in
> > > > >Acholi Province are literally being exterminated!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I beg that we soberly again look at Mr. Opoka's suggestion of
> > > > >constructing some platform to pull together our energies, to
address
> > > >common
> > > > >problems in our country!!
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > "Ivinicus factus sum veritabem diceus." ( I have become an enemy
> >for
> > > > >speaking the truth ) St Paul!
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > Mitayo Potosi
> > > > > <<<<<<<
> > > > > Here is a 17K pdf attachment (clear text available) to remind us
> >of
> > > > >Obote's idea of nivarna. It was written some 30 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > It appeared in Transition whose editor, the late Rajat Neogy,
had
> >just
> > > > >'graduated' with honors, from Luzira 'university' and countless
> >others
> > > >were
> > > > >busy toiling on their 'studies', at various 'extension branches of
> >the
> > > > >univesity'. Transition had taken a couple of years without
appearing,
> >and
> > > > >when it did, it was from Accra, Ghana.
> > > > >
> > > > > ssemakula
> > > > >
> > > > > ps:-
> > > > > the author also wrote/edited/co-authored:
> > > > > - African images : racism and the end of anthropology (1996)
> > > > > - Cattle and kinship among the Gogo; a semi-pastoral society of
> > > >Central
> > > > >Tanzania (1969)
> > > > > - Cattle, capitalism, and class : Ilparakuyo Maasai
> >transformations
> > > > >(1992)
> > > > > - Persistent pastoralists : nomadic societies in transition
(1985)
> > > > > - Society and social change in Eastern Africa (ca. 1969)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > > Netters,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a 17K pdf attachment (clear text available) to remind
us
> >of
> > > > >Obote's idea of nivarna. It was written some 30 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > It appeared in Transition whose editor, the late Rajat Neogy,
had
> >just
> > > > >'graduated' with honors, from Luzira 'university' and countless
> >others
> > > >were
> > > > >busy toiling on their 'studies', at various 'extension branches of
> >the
> > > > >univesity'. Transition had taken a couple of years without
appearing,
> >and
> > > > >when it did, it was from Accra, Ghana.
> > > > >
> > > > > ssemakula
> > > > > ps:-
> > > > >
> > > > > the author also wrote/edited/co-authored:
> > > > > - African images : racism and the end of anthropology (1996)
> > > > > - Cattle and kinship among the Gogo; a semi-pastoral society of
> > > >Central
> > > > >Tanzania (1969)
> > > > > - Cattle, capitalism, and class : Ilparakuyo Maasai
> >transformations
> > > > >(1992)
> > > > > - Persistent pastoralists : nomadic societies in transition
(1985)
> > > > > - Society and social change in Eastern Africa (ca. 1969)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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