stop your pretences ! I'm not scared of your threats. You neither know me nor do I know you. Just because you use the name 'Mulindwa' does not mean that other netters also use false names. If the name Kasangwawo is new to you, too bad, but this doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.If, as you say, I was from such "a prominent family in Uganda", I wonder why I would be borrowing the computer from a Nakyewombekedde as you claimed in one of your previous rantings. This is but just another of your usual speculations - a distraction tactic.
But back to the issue. I don't know for a fact that Chris Opoka was in Luwero and I never claimed I did. This is exactly what some of us were trying to find out. Still, he has never denied that he was - something that you were falsely attributing to him. So, as things stand, the allegation from one netter still stands.
I don't give a damn whether you know Chris Opoka or where he lives. This is beside the point. I also don't care whether you have "former majors and captains and DC's" in Toronto. If they are known to have killed innocent civilians, I don't want anything to do with them.
Who are you to tell me to shut up and why are you so incensed about Opoka's issue ? Could it be that you know something that we don't ?
Why is it you, Mulindwa, speaking on behalf of Opoka ?
Kasangwawo
From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:07:23 -0400
Kasangwawo
Do you know for a fact that Chris Opoka was in Luwero and he is responsible
for killing Ugandans? This is a straight question, and if it is just one of
your Mmumbo Jumbo in the forum trying to feed on spoiling people's names say
so. But if you have no facts about the man shut up.
This is really getting on my nerves. And let me say this, that I know Chris
Opoka, I know where he lives and he has never hidden his identity what so
ever. But few days ago I found out that the person who uses the name
Kasangwawo is from a prominent family in Uganda. This family has no name of
Kasangwawo what so ever. Then the right question becomes why are you calling
your self Kasangwawo and not your real name, you a man who is right in the
face of Ugandans? We are in exile and among us are people who worked in
previous governments right from the colonial era. Many of them if not all we
know, but in Toronto we have former majors and captains and DC's. This is a
country which recognises the law to the extent that war crimes are being
taken to court to people who are 80 years plus. But these have to be facts
not warming up our mouths when ever we loose a topic to post on Ugandanet.
So why do we have Ugandans who have a chance to be on Ugandanet and who live
under the cover of names like Kasangwawo to belittle other members?
Kasangwawo who exactly are you hiding from to call your self your real name?
What did you do in Uganda and in Luwero to be specific?
I saw this stupidity rampanting in Uganda about Paul Muwanga, he was
arrested and sent to Luzira, how many cases was he found guilty of?
These are very strange days indeed. And Kasangwawo fight my comments about
your using a hidden name and I will surprise the hell out of your pants.
Em
The Mulindwas communication group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
Mulindwa,
about Opoka you say: "He denied he ever was in Luwero."
No, he NEVER did.
Kasangwawo
>From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:08:30 -0400
>
>Omukadde Semakula,
>
>You and some netters have made an allegation that Mr. Opoka was the Head of
>Military Intelligence and that his activities in Luwero during Obote's
>times are well known. You of course want people to believe that he
>participated personally in Luwero massacres. These are very serious
>allegations. He responded that the head of military evidence was well known
>and he referred you to the Director of Records in UPDF. He denied he ever
>was in Luwero. Now you are talking of Gestapo almost comparing MI in
>Obote's time to Gestapo.
>
>Just like you have compared Obote's times in 1960 with Museveni's now on
>the question of the press by producing evidence in the form of a letter
>from a victim, Neogy.
>
>Before I asked you to produce evidence from the victims of Opoka, can you
>first produce any evidence at all of any writing about the wrong doings of
>military intelliengence written between 1981 and 1985 when Obote 11
>government was in power? Anything from newspapers in Uganda, Amnesty
>International, Human Rights Watch, Churches? Surely if this man was the
>head of Military Intelligence and Military Intelligence was like Gestapo,
>the evidence should be at finger tips!! Was he even mentioned in the
>Reports of the Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights Abuse in Uganda from
>1962 to 1985?
>
>The danger I am seeing in your allegations is your credibility and that of
>your cronies being at stake. Otherwise your witch-hunt may turn to haunt
>you for making allegations driven mainly by your political dislike of a
>fellow Ugandan. Mwaami Ssemakula all I am asking for is a back up of your
>allegations, for as Ugandans I think we are entitled to it. And now that
>you are making them on forums I am not a member, please forward my concerns
>to you accordingly.
>But be well.
>Em
> The Mulindwas communication group
>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J Ssemakula
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
>
>
> Mr. Potosi Netters,
>
> 1. I do not recall pronouncing an opinion about "Neogy, Abu Mayanja, Ali
>Mazur", but this doesn't prevent anyone else from doing so. My intent in
>posting those excerpts, speaking of which you may expect more, is to use
>"bwino" to refute this hogwash floating around about how great Obote was;
>and to show similiraties between his tactics and style of government and
>that of Museveni. Anyone who does not not agree with anything is free to
>tell us about it, and to defend his/her position vs. the "ink", rather than
>me, since I did not write it (I am just a simple messenger).
>
> 2. Where have I stated that it is impossible or even undesirable to "all
>work together at some level"?
>
> 3. All Mr. Chirs Opoka was asked whether he is now, or if he has ever
>been in any of the intelligence agencies of any government of Uganda; and
>if so which? I agree with Mr Potosi "That, per say, it is never a crime
>to accept employment in the Public service of your country!!". But that
>does not answer the question that was raised. However, Mr. Opoka's refusal
>to address the issue speaks volumes.
>
> Mr. Potosi (and others), would you consider membership in the Gestapo
>and other death-squads as 'service to your country'? Why or why not? What
>of membership in Kalangala Action Plan?
>
> Mr. Potosi, how does any of this mount to a suggestion that we "dismiss
>Mr. Chris Opoka's suggestion"?
>
> Finally Mr. Potosi, given the demonstrable fact that in, in NONE of the
>offensive (Transition) articles did I ever mention Mr. Chris Opoka's name
>even once, where does all this come from? Are you perhaps confusing me with
>someone else? Perhaps you are just making assumptions (jumping to
>conclusions?).
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
>
> From: "Mitayo Potosi"
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ugnet_: What was life like during Obote I?
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:09:31 +0000
> Mr. Ssemakula and netters,
>
> This all about "Transition", Neogy, Abu Mayanja, Ali Mazuri etc... is
>all well and good.
> But, are we just going to dismiss Mr. Chris Opoka's suggestion that
>irrespective of our differences, there are some national aspects that
>demand that we all work together at some level?
>
> Some went off-tangent with allegations of Mr. Opoka having served his
>country in some capacity or another. May be it needs to be stressed once
>again. That, per say, it is never a crime to accept employment in the
>Public service of your country!!
>
> May be many of us also have opinions about "The Transition", Neogy, Abu
>Mayanja, Ali Mazur and so on, but at the end of the day we all are still
>bleeding under a junta imposed on us by Celtic-Anglo-Saxon imperialism!!
> Our people are now living like serfs in their homeland!! Our people in
>Acholi Province are literally being exterminated!!
>
> I beg that we soberly again look at Mr. Opoka's suggestion of
>constructing some platform to pull together our energies, to address common
>problems in our country!!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Ivinicus factus sum veritabem diceus." ( I have become an enemy for
>speaking the truth ) St Paul!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mitayo Potosi
> <<<<<<<
> Here is a 17K pdf attachment (clear text available) to remind us of
>Obote's idea of nivarna. It was written some 30 years ago.
>
> It appeared in Transition whose editor, the late Rajat Neogy, had just
>'graduated' with honors, from Luzira 'university' and countless others were
>busy toiling on their 'studies', at various 'extension branches of the
>univesity'. Transition had taken a couple of years without appearing, and
>when it did, it was from Accra, Ghana.
>
> ssemakula
>
> ps:-
> the author also wrote/edited/co-authored:
> - African images : racism and the end of anthropology (1996)
> - Cattle and kinship among the Gogo; a semi-pastoral society of Central
>Tanzania (1969)
> - Cattle, capitalism, and class : Ilparakuyo Maasai transformations
>(1992)
> - Persistent pastoralists : nomadic societies in transition (1985)
> - Society and social change in Eastern Africa (ca. 1969)
>
>
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>
> Netters,
>
> Here is a 17K pdf attachment (clear text available) to remind us of
>Obote's idea of nivarna. It was written some 30 years ago.
>
> It appeared in Transition whose editor, the late Rajat Neogy, had just
>'graduated' with honors, from Luzira 'university' and countless others were
>busy toiling on their 'studies', at various 'extension branches of the
>univesity'. Transition had taken a couple of years without appearing, and
>when it did, it was from Accra, Ghana.
>
> ssemakula
> ps:-
>
> the author also wrote/edited/co-authored:
> - African images : racism and the end of anthropology (1996)
> - Cattle and kinship among the Gogo; a semi-pastoral society of Central
>Tanzania (1969)
> - Cattle, capitalism, and class : Ilparakuyo Maasai transformations
>(1992)
> - Persistent pastoralists : nomadic societies in transition (1985)
> - Society and social change in Eastern Africa (ca. 1969)
>
>
>
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