Ugandans
"Incidentally, you are one of those who, when they hear the word federalism,
do something in their pants. You get so scared that you will finally have to
take the fate of your own area in your own hands instead of being spoon-fed
by the central government, that you don't even believe your community will
survive under federalism. A pity really, for the federalists' proposals
foresee help for such areas."
That is a very informative paragraph on the future of our nation. And I will
continue to re state to those who are calling this discussion a waste of
time and we should just forget the bigotry which is fade here day in day
out, that with out following this discussion one can not understand the
poison in Kibuuka's Federalism. But again I am an old man, who long ago told
Kibuuka that you might cause Buganda a bigger problem than you care to
realize. And I am saying today that Uganda has a huge problem, and finding a
solution to the problems of our nation is a duty for all of us, but thanks
to Kibuuka for bringing up a concocted plan of Federalism to Uganda, for
today one has the ability to base on facts we have directly got from
Federalists, in this discussion to understand what way Uganda must follow.
And I hope some one out there is taking notes. For Uganda as a nation will
stay, come sea come high waters.
Enjoy the weekend Ugandans and know that Uganda's problems will be solved by
you and only you becoming a part of a solution.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
> Ha, ha ! He has totally lost it. I ask him to tell us about his community
> and all he comes up with is Buganda, Buganda, Buganda. What is this
> obsession with Buganda ? If Buganda is undeveloped as you claim, all we
> wanted was for you to tell us how your area is doing in comparison. But
even
> that is not forthcoming. I can only conclude that you have nothing "to
show
> by way of progress in your area / community for the last umpteen years."
> This being so, I don't see any logic in your criticism of Buganda when
your
> area is far worse off - you could spend your energy trying to improve it
> instead of wasting it in displaying your envy and inferiority complex.
>
> Incidentally, you are one of those who, when they hear the word
federalism,
> do something in their pants. You get so scared that you will finally have
to
> take the fate of your own area in your own hands instead of being spoonfed
> by the central government, that you don't even believe your community will
> survive under federalism. A pity really, for the federalists' proposals
> foresee help for such areas.
>
> Finally, you did not quote anything. All you did was make some allegations
> about what the Kabaka is supposed to have written. What this is, you
didn't
> say. I therefore find it preposterous to be asked to come up 'with info to
> the contrary' when there is no information to be contradicted. As has been
> your habit of late, when it turned out that you don't know what you are
> talking about, you thought up some justification about not wanting to
> spoonfeed us ! The fact is that there is no such written information. What
a
> joker !
>
> Kasangwawo
>
> >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
> >Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:09:12 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >It is amazing that so called developed and therefore sophisticated
> >people,the like of you and your purpoted cohorts still expect to be
> >spoon fed with knowledge.
> >Are you not by inference just proving that you and your ilk are not only
> >mundane but also anachronistic?
> >Development can not be defined by parameters that are not robust and
> >that cannot be verifiable in other settings.
> >What Buganda had was only administrative structures that showed the
strata
> >into which the rulers could relate with the ordinary folks in their
areas.
> >This same arrangement existed in areas other than Buganda but had a
> >different nomenclature which unfortunately for you with your Ntu syntax
> >innebriation believes since you do not understand it then it could as
well
> >not exist.
> >If you look at the parameters that are internationally used as a gauge of
> >development,can you tell me what the Infant Mortality rate in Buganda
> >is?,the Maternal mortality rate?,the life expectancy in Buganda ,the
amount
> >of disposal income available to these so called developed people
> >and area you keep jabbering about just as a few examples?.
> >If you realise that today unlike in the 1950s and 1960s Baganda are the
> >highest consumers of Mwogo and all that they used to refer to as not
> >food,do you still not feel ashamed to utter these nonsenses about being
> >developed and sophisticated?.
> >If you also recall that the establishment at the center of your purported
> >development went on to urge their young girls and women to go sell their
> >hardware in Europe and wherever inorder to bring income to them,does that
> >pass for being developed and sophisticated?
> >Any society that has no respect for women in their midst and uses them
> >as entertainers aka Ebimansulo,needs to rethink definitions of what it
> >calls development and sophistication.
> >Have you ever heard of these litany of societal miscues anywhere from
those
> >areas you believe in your mind are not developed?.
> >You are putting yourselves in coccoons of a past that has become a mirage
> >and thus accepting to be used as political condoms and that is why today
> >Mu7 is re-sterilizing you for further use in his quest for more time in
> >Office since he knows very well how gullible you people can be when it
> >comes to thinking you can re-invent a wheel.To live is to Change.
> >From my opening statement,I am not going to spoon feed you on where
> >Mutebbi said what I quoted because as developed and sophisticated people
> >you need to exercise your intellect and take advantage of the super
> >information highway and get the neccessary information to refute
> >what you think is unpalatable to you.
> >That in a nutshell will make you indeed sophisticated for they say,the
> >taste of the pudding is in the Eating!.
> >Thus to prove me wrong come up with info to the contrary rather than
being
> >passive receipients of knowledge unless your sophistication is only
founded
> >on being good Xeroxers of other peoples' ways and views.
> >Thank you.
> >Kipenji.
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
______________________________________
> >jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Despite your denials, a keen observer cannot fail to notice the envy
> >embedded in your
> >writings.
> >
> >It seems you are turning this into a habit - I mean, the constant failure
> >to
> >answer questions
> >put to you. Can you please at last answer Mw. Ssemakula's question about
> >what you have to show by way of progress in your area / community for the
> >last umpteen years. And while you are
> >at it, could you also answer my and Mw. Ssemakula's questions about your
> >allegations
> >concerning what Kabaka Mutebi is supposed to have written.
> >
> >Failing this, I would earnestly advise you to abstain from talking about
> >things you have not
> >even an inkling about.
> >
> >Kasangwawo
> >
> >
> > >From: Owor Kipenji
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
> > >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:04:24 +0100 (BST)
> > >
> > >This message is actaully meant for the dustbin and I will
> > >next time do exactly that.
> > >In London or wherever you are yakking from,how is that helping you
> > >develop Buganda?
> > >You should henceforth stop being obtuse and do more meaningful
> > >things.
> > >Envy is something very foreign to me and hence your presumptions
> > >are very misplaced.
> > >Start thinking beyond the chronic mediocrity that appears to have
> >engulfed
> > >you and your ilk.
> > >Ciao!.
> > >Kipenji.
> >
>____________________________________________________________________-------
---------
> > >
> > >jonah kasangwawo wrote:
> > >Kipenji,
> > >
> > >your envy of Buganda is there for all to see and it knows no bounds. It
> >has
> > >taken you
> > >so far that you even criticize traditions and mottos whose origin you
> >have
> > >no clue about.
> > >If you spent half of the energy which you waste criticizing Buganda on
> > >developing your region,
> > >maybe there would be something to show for it. Oh, that reminds me. Why
> > >don't you
> > >answer Mw. Ssemakula's question:
> > >
> > >- what do you have to show by way of progress in your area / community
> >for
> > >the last
> > >umpteen years ?
> > >
> > >Kasangwawo
> > >
> > > >From: Owor Kipenji
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re:t_: Museveni to talk to Mengo\Mukooza
> > > >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:19:09 +0100 (BST)
> > > >
> > > >Ssenyange,I would rather you keep your puerile talks about you and
your
> > > >support for Mu7 to yourself.
> > > >In the same vein would one have to say that as long as you and
Buganda
> > >want
> > > >to keep Mu7,then you can go ahead and get the Federo for Buganda that
> >Mu7
> > > >is peddling before you?.
> > > >Wise people learn from other peoples' mistakes but Fools always want
> > > >to learn through their own experiences which oftentimes turns to be
> >very
> > > >expensive.
> > > >You think Mu7's killing fields that you support in the North will go
on
> > >for
> > > >ever?.What about if he achieves what you want and still feels he
needs
> >to
> > > >kill and by that time only the Baganda like you are there for him to
> > > >kill,what will you say?.Will you stop him from killing you and your
> > > >paranoid ilk?
> > > >The Motto that might have been started and adopted for obscure
reasons
> > > >breeds more true today than then.
> > > >Lastly I want you to take it from me,Kipenji,that I have nothing that
I
> > > >have ever envied about Buganda let alone Baganda so your conclusions
> > >about
> > > >my opinions on this fora are very much misplaced.
> > > >Lets' wait and see.
> > > >Kipenji.
> > > >__________________________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >ssenya nyange wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Mukooza,
> > > >
> > > >So long as UPC supporters continue their hatemonger against
> > > >Buganda, Mu7 will rule Uganda until he's deposed by the use of arms
or
> > > >killed by bullets. Thats why he doesnt want to stop the war in the
> >north
> > >so
> > > >that UPC can increase its sentiments against Buganda- devide more,
rule
> > >for
> > > >ever. The result will be as you see on Ugandanet. Iam anti Museveni
but
> > > >when
> > > >the Adhola, Mulindwa, Akanga, Kipenji etc continue the envious
> >sentiments
> > > >against Buganda, I would rather give Mu7 a go ahead until a more
> >credible
> > > >replacement ( free of UPC, NRM & Ganda sentiments ) is found. I have
> > >argued
> > > >UPC to initiate a Truth and Reconciliation commission similar to Suth
> > > >African but they refused, saying that they have unfinished business
to
> > > >settle with Buganda. Well, Baganda say "Ekigy'omanyi........ kinyaga
> > > >bitono"
> > > >"Sekawuka kaali kakulumye......." " okwerinda...ssi butiitiizi"
> > > >
> > > >Ssenyange
> > > >
> > > >--------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > >From: Rehema Mukooza
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni to talk to Mengo
> > > > >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:23:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >Members:
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't believe that Museveni is going to "talk to Mengo". Ooh,
> >please!
> > > > >How many times has he sworn to talk to Mengo?? The fact is that he
> >has
> > > >not
> > > > >done so, and he says the opposite. Take a look into his recent
Tororo
> > > > >speech when he blasted Mengo. Museveni talks his shit about talking
> >to
> > > > >Mengo and the Kabaka when he is in Buganda. Basically to please
> >folks!
> > > > >
> > > > >Zakoomu M.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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