Mulindwa,
as I suspected, you just read the first four words and that set off bells ringing in your little brain. If you had continued, you would have found that there's still controversy about this version of alcoholic poisoning. Otherwise why would the police not follow up a perfectly credible line of inquiry ? It really doesn't matter whether YOU think (1) is a fact (ascertained by who ? ) and (2) is an opinion.
Instead of stopping here (and saving yourself further embarassment), you continue with your usual irrelevant rumblings, full of baseless claims. It is surprising (or maybe not ?) how far you can go to make up all sorts of fabrications just to prove your point of view.
Look here, somebody makes an attempt to murder you but you somehow manage to escape. When you reach the safety of another country, the same person sends you money for your upkeep. Incredible !! How much was this 'statutory order' supposed to be ? "I personally know an
individual who was taking that money to UK.." Lies, lies lies !!! These same people who, after King Freddie had escaped from his palace, thought that his bathtubs were for brewing malwa; the same people who looted his toilet basins and used them for crashing millet - these same people were supposed to have sent him money ? Give over !
Your interest in Buganda issues, as a non-Muganda, would have been applaudable if you didn't go around making up negative fairy tales. Baganda are the most organized Ugandan ethnic group, in or outside Uganda and are perfectly capable of maintaining their King if they were left in peace to make their own decisions. You talk about the Swedish trip but fail to mention the 1998 New York/New Jersey Buganda convention, the London Buganda 2000 convention and numerous others that have been held very successfully.
Lastly, most of the taxes collected by the Uganda government are from Buganda and I therefore don't think its a donation if the Kabaka gets maintainance. In fact government should pay the Kabaka and his family compensation for Obote having taken over his palace and other institutions in 1966 and using them as army bases and for loss of his assets.
Kasangwawo
PS
Oh, who is now receiving the 'statutory order' since Kabaka Mutebi is no longer in London to receive it ?
From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: <[email protected]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ugnet] MUTEESA DIED OF ALCOHOL POISON Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:16:35 -0400
Kasangwawo
Yes indeed I read the whole paragraph and still the point remains that Muteesa died of Alcohol poisoning. The rest of the paragraph is a personal view which every one is entitled to, I am here to state facts. But let us look critically to the thinking of the reporter.
Here are the two terms you have to look at (1) Mutesa died of alcohol poisoning in his London flat in 1969. and (2) ... the death has been viewed as a possible assassination by those claiming that Mutesa may have been forcibly administered large amounts of vodka by agents of the Obote regime.
One to die of alcohol poisoning, means he has drunk for a great length of time in life and alcohol has slowly and steadily destroyed his body parts starting from the Liver. A one day drink can never turn up as an alcohol poisoning. For at the time of death, Mutesa had a blood in his alcohol system. That takes a whole time of drinking, thus the term drunkard. And this happens to allot of Ugandans in exile up to today the most destructing factor we have abroad is alcohol. That is why Obote was very smart to stop drinking. So I do not know why Buganda decides to make this a secret and hide into Obote poisoned Mutesa through a Muganda girl. It just baffles me.
But here is another factor again to support a fact that Obote would not poison Mutesa in UK. For now we need to make the records straight to those who were still kids in 1969 as kasangwawo.
When Muteesa left Uganda for UK, Obote as a head of state made a statutory order instructing Bank Of Uganda to send funds to maintain Muteesa as long as he is out of the nation. Until today that instruction is still on Uganda books and the money is still being sent to the family. When Amin came to power, I personally know an individual who was taking that money to UK because Obote's order was on the books, Museveni is still sending that money to a UK account. What is interesting about Obote is that when he came back on Obote 2, as a president and as a minister of finance, he still refused to revoke that order from the bank of Uganda books. Obote left power the second time and the family remained taking the money from Uganda government. It is that same money, why people like Kabaka Mutebi managed to go to school in UK and become pipe fitters. And Mutebi has no student loan out standing in UK. Thanks to Obote. The problem Muteesa got in UK was a simple fact that he had allot of money at his disposal and we all know what happens if you have money and home sick, drinking becomes a simplest solution. If you talk to people in UK today who knew Freddie, he was a party animal.
What the Kasangwawo's fail to mention, is a simple fact that ever since Mutesa left Uganda, Baganda failed to get organized and to maintain him financially. And this is the same problem we have in Buganda today, Kasangwawo will lambaste me all his life but he will never come into a discussion groups like this one and challenge all of us as Baganda to create a fund to maintain our King. We are just not organized. We talk much we attack each other but we have no action. Few days ago NRM promised to give couple of billion shillings to Mutebi to run Mengo. How much has Kasangwawo solicited so far? The best Baganda did was to organize Mutebi's visit to Sweden and end up in The States. We who are in Canada booked the flights and hotels, the next thing we heard was that the Baganda, not Obote but the Baganda in Sweden had fought in them selves, Mutebi left Sweden and ran to UK for his safety. So a critical thinker wonders, what will happen to this kingdom if Museveni stops to finance it? Is this Kingdom going to survive for Kasangwawo's mudomo spews un-corroborated facts? No bottom line it needs money and yesterday.
That is why when I screen through all past facts, as Baganda we have failed to maintain that cohesiveness, and to see that our kingdom and its leaders are taken care of. Obote went out of his way to see that Muteesa and the family are taken care of and he made sure it is on Uganda books. May be Ugandans should have taken care of Obote as well when he left power? But no Obote has lived all these years on the good will of good Ugandans who know what good he did for Uganda as a man. So you wonder, how can Obote get Ugandans who can take care of him on their meager incomes, but a Buganda King fails to be looked after? And I can swear to you today that if Mutebi has to ever go to exile, the only money he will get is the same money Obote instructed to be paid by Uganda as a state.
That is why when one states that Obote hates Baganda, you know that some people just do not know the man or any thing about him. And the best defense they have is that Mulindwa is a UPC member, but may be these are facts? UPC member no UPC member !!!! Facts that the Kasangwawo's refuse to make public, and if Baganda fill so bad about Obote let them refuse the Kingdom to take those monies, let them get organized and refuse out side financing? But when you take the only financing donated to you and you call the provider a bad man, it tells how inadequate we are. For soon we are lambasting Museveni, although he is the sole funder of the kingdom.
Kasangwawo make the facts about Obote and Buganda public for the facts are on the paper. Only for the looking.
Em Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life & Death in Brief
Mulindwa,
did you read the whole paragraph or you just read the first four words and, as usual, decided you knew it all ? 'Critical thinker' he calls himself !
Kasangwawo
From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life & Death in Brief Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:14:34 -0400
That is the same thing I have been saying for ages in these forum but my fellow Kasangwaawo decide to feed people with "Good" lies. It is very sad how we decide to just believe what we want to be good and in process forget the truth.
Em Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: musamize To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life & Death in Brief
Mutesa II
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutesa_II)
Mutesa II, the first President of Uganda.
Edward Mutesa II (November 19, 1924 - November 21, 1969) was king of the Buganda region and President of Uganda from 1963 to 1966.
His full name was Sir Edward Frederick William David Walugembe Mutebi Luwangula Mutesa but was often nicknamed King Freddie by his supporters. As king he was also leader of the Ganda tribe which dominated Buganda.
Mutesa became king in 1939 upon the death of his father, King Daudi Cwa II. At the time Buganda was part of the British protectorate of Uganda. He continued his father's practices of reforming the largely self-governing kingdom into a constitutional monarchy< /A> system of government. When discussions began among British officials of making Uganda into an independent country, King Freddie lobbied them in an attempt to secure independence for Buganda as a country sovereign from Uganda. The efforts were both ineffective and unpopular, however, and he was briefly deposed and exiled.
Mutesa returned to Uganda and his throne in 1955. In 1962 Uganda became independent from Britain with Milton Obote as Prime Minister and Walter Fleming Coutts as Governor General. In 1963 Obote abolished Uganda's status as a Commonwealth realm and replaced the post of Governor General with a figurehead Presidency. A largely rigged election saw Mutesa get elected as Uganda's first President, a result Obote had deliberately orchestrated in order to appease the Ganda tribe.
Mutesa was not content to serve as a mere figurehead, however, and continued to feud with Obote over the future of Buganda. In 1966 Obote suspended the Ugandan constitution and proclaimed himself as the new president, exiling Mutesa to Britain. President Obote proceeded to abolish all of Uganda's kingdoms, including Buganda.
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Death
Mutesa died of alcohol poisoning in his London flat in 1969. Attributed to suicide by the British police, the death has been viewed as a possible assassination by those claiming that Mutesa may have been forcibly administered large amounts of vodka by agents of the Obote regime. Mutesa was interviewed in his flat only a few hours before his death by the British journalist John Simpson, who found that he was sober and in good spirits. Simpson reported this to the police the following day on hearing of Mutesa's death, although this line of enquiry was not pursued.
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kasangwawo
"I've already said that it was an assassination by agents of the Obote
regime"
That is the crap sold in Uganda, you and I have been abroad for a while and
we state matters we can prove. So I am not my grand mother who still believe
that Muteesa is still alive and well in UK. Every body who dies in UK has a
cause of death, and I state that Muteesa's cause of death is listed ,
officially listed as alcohol poisoning.
Kindly tell us what is officially listed as the death of this drunkard?
Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: "jonah kasangwawo" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
> Man, are you illiterate or plain dumb ? I've already said that it was an
> assassination by agents of the Obote regime, through poisoning. Is it
> clear to you now ?
>
> Regarding Lule, I was only trying to point out to you that it would be
> better if you first ask yourself in which university Obote did his
> doctorate before you start questioning Lule's credentials who was an
> academic. But that also seems to be beyond you.
>
> I'm done with your hopeless allegations on this issue.
>
>>From: "Edward Mulindwa"
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>To:
>>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
>>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:11:55 -0400
>>
>>Kasangwawo
>>
>>What did Kabaka Muteesa die from? This is your chance to make it public.
>>Mutesa was a King of Buganda, and a Uganda president at a certain point,
>>surely the cause of his death must be stated and publicly. The floor is
>>yours.
>>
>>On Lule I will not waste my time for we have asked you many times where he
>>did his professorship and you have not answered, that means you do not
>>know and you do not care to research..
>>
>>Em
>>Toronto
>>
>>The Mulindwas Communication Group
>>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
>> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
>>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "jonah kasangwawo"
>>
>>To:
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:41 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Butur o knows Luweero killers, says UPC
>>
>>
>>>Mulindwa,
>>>
>>>I'm not going to do your research for you, but I'll tell you this.
>>>Circumstances of Muteesa II's death clearly point to an assassination by
>>>agents of the Obote regime. A British journalist, John Simpson, who
>>>interviewed King Freddie in his flat just a few hours before his death,
>>>stated that he was sober and in good spirits. This was confirmed by
>>>people who were around him in his last hours. Simpson actually reported
>>>this to the police upon hearing of the King's death on the following day.
>>>Incomprehensibly, this line of inquiry was not pursued by the British
>>>police who claimed that his death was suicide. You go figure !
>>>
>>>But stop telling lies that you have seen the postmortem record because
>>>you haven't.
>>>
>>>As for Prof Lule, well if we believe that Obote is a Dr why should we not
>>>believe Lule ? Still, your claims of Lule being an alcoholic are total
>>>rubbish, because, as I told you before, the man didn't drink alcohol.
>>>
>>>Kasangwawo
>>>
>>>>From: "Edward Mulindwa"
>>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>>To:
>>>>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:00:09 -0400
>>>>
>>>>Kasangwawo
>>>>
>>>>Now that you are here what did Mutesa die from?
>>>>
>>>>I challenge any one to look for the report on this man if it does not
>>>>state alcohol poisoning I will personally pay 5000 dollars Canadian.
>>>>Kasangwawo you are spreading the same roamer that we all must believe
>>>>in, and Ugandans being in a zoo buy that crap. Yes the crap that Yusuf
>>>>K Lule was a professor. Prove me wrong Kasangwawo, tell us what Muteesa
>>>>died from, for you know what? He did not die in Mulago but London the
>>>>records are available, and I have challenged you on this before and you
>>>>just shut up. Tell us today.
>>>>
>>>>Em
>>>>Toronto
>>>>The Mulindwas Communication Group
>>>>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
>>>> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
>>>>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "jonah kasangwawo"
>>>>
>>>>To:
>>>>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:51 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>There he goes again ! Look, Mulindwa, we've been through this before.
>>>>>You have neither seen Muteesa's post-mortem report nor do you have any
>>>>>inkling what he died from. Otherwise you wouldn't come out with this
>>>>>nonsense. You are just making wild allegations, similar to the ones you
>>>>>made about the late Prof. Lule being a drunkard, when the man was a
>>>>>teetotaller.
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Edward Mulindwa"
>>>>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>>>>To: ,
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:45:13 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been asked?
>>>>>>Did you really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things?
>>>>>>And why has The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this
>>>>>>issue? I saw The Paul Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a
>>>>>>society? May be The Movement is the one to have every thing to
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