Ugandans
Does OJ know that Obote trained men like Dr Ruhakana Rugunda to be trained in
leadership to specifically replace him? Why would a man that does not want to
leave power train people to replace him? As I stated before, many of us have
stayed out here way long and in the process lost the drift of the real issues
in Uganda, and some times we need to ask and be informed.
EM
Toronto
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----- Original Message -----
From: Nyar Nyar'Onyango
To: Mulindwa Edward
Cc: Oryema Johnson ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Str8talk-2011] Re: {UAH} Re: MAAMA MIRIA OBOTE TO STEP DOWN
NEXT YEAR
OJ, where is your heart?
First it was UPC minus Obote, then Obote went. The same group continued as
we now see.
But to cut the long story short, do you think it was ok for the UPC's
respected members to have treated Obote with such disrepect even at his death
bed. How old was Obote by the time of his death for them to think he would
have continue to hold powers - and supposing he would have, don't we all agree
that age had ccaught up with him, and therefore let him retire or send him off
with more respect?
Secondly, do you believe that if Obote had been given 25 undisturbed/broken
years, he would have clanged onto power for all those year and leave the party
in pieces? Do you know how many times, during his Zambian exile life, Obote
tried to arrange annual delegates conference - more than five years before he
died he even wanted it done in Uganda in his presence - and do you know who
were the people sabbotaging this? And some of these are the same people who
continued their stupidity after his death.
Leave Mama alone, she has given that party the services it needed - her case
can only be likened to Obama taking over the leadership of the US when the
country is in such a diplomatic,military and ekonomic mess. She is a trusted
member of the party, but above all, she is an authentic citizen of the Republic
of Uganda.
Some of us are not like the Ssemuwembas who will do anything, including
forging a signature to try to make a lie look true - but you want the proof? -
it is there and in original!
You must ofcourse have heard of the kiganda song:
ATAMUKUTE Y'AGAMBA
yaye!
KWATIRA DALA ONYWEZE
yaye!
In other words - easier said than done.
And if any other relative of Obote wants to compete, this too is too
criminal(?)
We should learn to take what is in the candidate, but while doing so, we
should always know that there is always a + and - in all of us. If we can
learn to way the two sides, we will have gone four steps ahead, otherwise we
will never heal and move on.
Kwaheri
Nyar'Onyango
2008/11/25 Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
OJ
I have read your posting and I have a problem understanding what you want
me to add on what I posted this morning. I thought the explanation I gave was
very basic. Sorry.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Oryema Johnson
To: m e ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Str8talk-2011] Re: {UAH} Re: MAAMA MIRIA OBOTE TO STEP DOWN
NEXT YEAR
EM, UPC is 50 years old. Older than me by a few years. Do you mean to
say, after 50 years, the only replacement you could find in 2005 after Obote's
death was his wife? 50 years is a generation and a half, if Uganda could not
produce another appropriate leaders within that period, we sure need as a
people our genetic/DNA material and make up checked!
You say, I do not know what was going on in Kampala at the time Obote
died and had it not been for mama Miriam a second funeral would have been
performed for UPC...what sort of fire was burning in Kampala then that required
the mama and not the Uganda Fire Brigade to put out?
What some of us do not want to see happening is making the mama's
stepping down as doing a favor to Ugandans. For a political party that calls
itself democratic and has been around for 50 years only to have had only one
leader is shameful enough.
OJ
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:05:51 -0500
OJ
On the little information I have, it was prudent for Maama Miria to take
that position at the time, and I have totally no regrets about it, if she did
not take that position you would probably have no UPC party today in Uganda. So
get more information on what was happening in Kampala at a time then comment.
On another note, isn't it interesting that you are now questioning Obama'
steps? This is what I have argued on always, let us get more information about
politicians then we decide whether to oppose or not support but not base our
support on what he has stated. On record I made a stand on Obama based on the
people that were running his campaign, yet many Ugandans thought that this
campaign was being ran by one individual, Obama. And it is so sad that some of
us expected Hilary to stand next time, but when you have been a secretary of
state of Obama, she has as well reached her cross bar, the Democrats need to go
back to the drawing board.
Some of us wonder about the change Africans have been singing as they
drink Malwa out of their pots in jubilation.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Oryema Johnson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; m e
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Str8talk-2011] Re: {UAH} Re: MAAMA MIRIA OBOTE TO STEP
DOWN NEXT YEAR
This is a good thing, but she had no reason to head UPC in the first
place. This is one of the permanent damages UPC has caused/brought to itself.
The people who came to the recent conference with a set idea to have her resign
immediately had a better and safer idea than her lingering around UPC corridor
until late next year, doing what? Making sure that she pockets the money
mulindwa and mama Onyango are trying to raise too?
In any case, I have concluded that running around with expired leaders
is a black thing..Look at the line up of Obama's cabinet and advisers...Clinton
from 1992 to the present as if nobody else from the Clinton Club has brains to
be Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of State etc...and this is a man who
promised change! Change the Museveni way, blow up hospital and not replace them
after you get into power because you have robbed enough money to send your own
for treatment overseas.
OJ
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:51:24 -0800
Subject: [Str8talk-2011] Re: {UAH} Re: MAAMA MIRIA OBOTE TO STEP DOWN
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Folks:
This is good for UPC and good for Uganda.
MK
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From: Nyar Nyar'Onyango
To: Mulindwa Edward
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Oryema Johnson, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Str8talk-2011] Re: {UAH} Re: MAAMA MIRIA OBOTE TO STEP DOWN
NEXT YEAR
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:16:58 +0100
Hej Mulindwa,
This is great idea from you, and I hopes there are so many other
willing supporters out there. The earlier we start the better, so that we are
better prepared to meet the Kisanjas who use tax-payers money.
My A/C number is 42 - 2 - 411.000.444.333
The BIC number UPC201112NYAR
Regards,
Nyar'Onyango
NOTE : Should any of you find any difficulties while sending your
contribution, just get in touch with me through my e-mail.
2008/11/24 Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ugandans
The whistle is off where are the Ssemuwemba's to line up for the
leadership of this party? Some of us have itching fingers to fund raise for the
candidates, for that is the most important issue as we speak..
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Ssenkindu
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Nyar Nyar'Onyango ;
Oryema Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: {UAH} Re: MAAMA MIRIA OBOTE TO STEP DOWN NEXT YEAR
At about 72, but still looks like a 50 yr old? greeeaaat!!!!!
" I prefer liberty with danger than peace with slavery"----Jean
Jaqueas Rousseau
" Apolitician thinks on the next election - a statesman of the next
generation" James Freeman Clarke
" The State calls its own violence, law;but that of the individual
crime" - Max Stirner "The Ego and His Own (1845)"
"The people of Asia were slaves because they had not learned how to
pronouce the word 'no' -Winston Churchill.
"The more corrupt the state,the numerous the laws- Cornelius
Tacitus "Annals"(c.116.A.D)"
SR. Sveritanien.
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Subject: {UAH} MAAMA MIRIA OBOTE TO STEP DOWN NEXT YEAR
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:50:21 -0500
Miria Obote steps down next year
Alfred Nyongesa Wandera
Namboole
Uganda Peoples Congress will hold its third delegates conference
late next year at which they will elect a new party president to replace Ms
Miria Kalule Obote who has been at the helm since 2005.
This was revealed yesterday by UPC deputy Secretary General, Mr
Chris Opoka during the party's second delegates' conference at Namboole
National Stadium which deliberated over the amendment of the party constitution.
"Mama Miria is happy that she has given the party her time to serve
it and can now leave. We shall hold a delegates conference next year to elect a
person to replace her so that the new person can have time to popularise him or
herself in preparation for the 2011 general elections," Mr Opoka told Sunday
Monitor in an interview.
The conference attracted over 500 delegates with majority coming
from Northern Uganda. They rooted for reduction of the term of service of party
president from seven to five years so as to be in tandem with the national
Constitution.
"The 1969 party constitution was designed during turbulent times
and gave much power to the party president," said Prof. Patrick Rubaihayo, a
senior UPC member.
"We hope to make a transparent, democratic and pro-people
constitution to reinstate the party's glory," Prof. Rubaihayo said.
Under the old party constitution, the president essentially enjoyed
sweeping powers to appoint and dismiss members of the Central Executive
Committee. A member was not allowed to hold a rally without the permission of
the party president.
Mr Opoka admitted that at the conference, there was a faction of
delegates who had come to ensure that the party president was ousted
immediately.
"That clique of people fears to be challenged in next year's
delegates' conference because they know there will be tight competition to
replace Mama Miria. But until then, Mama Miria shall remain our party
president," Mr Opoka said.
Yesterday, Mama Miria acknowledged that her age would not allow her
to continue in the 2011 general elections even if the constitution was not
amended.
"It is true I am now about 72 and by July 2011, I will be 75. That
means I can contest for presidency because elections will be held in March that
very year. I will be remaining with just a few months to be barred by the
national constitution which does not allow a person at 75 and above to contest
for presidency," Mama Miria said.
"But it is always good to let others serve. It is now time we
should let new blood lead us at the helm of the party. That is what democracy
means,' Mama Miria added.
UPC is not the only political party whose top leadership has been
hit by the age factor. Democratic Party President John Ssebana Kizito has also
declared he will relinquish power to Gulu District Chairman Norbert Mao.
The issue of membership of UPC at the delegates' conference
generated some debate. A delegate from Bunya West, Mr Mohamed Dhakaba Kirunda
said whereas the CEC wanted membership to be by formal registration, the others
wanted the membership to be left open to anyone who is willing to join the
party.
"The delegates felt that by forcing members to register is tying
them to the party, which is not democratic," Mr Kirunda said.
However, UPC special envoy to United Kingdom, Mr Joseph Ochieno
said it is always good to have members registered because it shows members'
commitment. But he agreed registration should not always restrict membership.
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