Ritah
Oh so now Federalism is not good to Uganda for it is good to Canada? So let me
get this straight, EM is no longer useless for he is sitting in Canada enjoying
the good fruits of federalism and he is refusing to support it for Uganda? Rita
just out of curiosity do you own a degree from UPC schools?
And nothing personal just asking
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
Darling darling leave matters of Canada to be bleeding Canadian & when u feel
like one of them, get In touch with them ...... Not UAH😄
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On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Akim Odong
The most busy minister of finance in this country is the minister of finance in
Alberta, he writes all cheque maintaining all of as a country. Buganda be very
ware.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:53 AM
To: 'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
MulindWA;
Your assertion that Buganda will be the life line of the rest of Uganda is not
only misleading but false. At the minute, there are baganda in every village of
the north doing business. Selling from mandanzi to rolex to make ups and
manicure. If your statement was true, they would not be crisscrossing this God
forsaken land day in but night.
The rest of Ugandans have potential but they are being denied the opportunity
to mine and monetise these potentials, the very reason why we are crying out
for federalsim to be left to do what will make us rich and rich enough to bail
out Greece.
Akim
Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Akim Odong
5} If Baganda love federalism why have they refused to support political
party’s like Kabaka Yekka which would have defended the interests of Buganda in
Parliament?
Federalism is not about Buganda but about Uganda. We have de-Bugandanised
federalism. The Baganda people are independent politically and it’s not fair to
suggest that they would all follow the same party. I can assure you that there
are Baganda, for instance, who do not take the monarchy to heart so, drop that
crap of homogeneity in political allegiance.
And do not lose sight of the fact that religion in Baganda is a factor one
cannot ignore.
===================
Yes it is true that Federalism is not about Buganda but Uganda but it is as
well true that you are more likely to sell a product to the wrong people. And
here is the question, you stated way back that a high percentage of Baganda
prefer Uganda to be a federal state than a unitary, have you taken a second to
wonder if the Baganda you are talking about are actually feudalists than
federalists? Akim Odong, when you sit and visualize in the numbers of Baganda
you have preaching to, for turning Uganda to federalism, are they actually
feudalists? And that is the very danger in the sermon you are preaching. And
here is a very good example, Federal system is built by so many entities, an
equalization fund is a fundamental factor you simply cannot ignore. Have you
ever stood up and told Baganda that come Uganda become a federal state, their
finance minister is going to be a very busy man cutting cheques from their
taxes to build the rest of the country? Most of our money in this country comes
from Alberta, do Baganda actually know that under your plan, Buganda is going
to become the Alberta of Uganda? And that is why I wonder why you have a
problem discussing these very minor details when they are of a value to the
entire process. Understand your base and build it, but it is criminally wrong
to hold information of vital importance from those you need to support your
agenda. Fellow Ugandans throw out this federalism faster than when you will
throw out Mbabazi.
I am sorry to respond to your posting this late but this is the last piece of
what I needed to put across to you sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:39 PM
To: 'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
Mulindwa;
I will attempt to answer some of your questions and i hope it will go to
convince you that the system works.
10} Federalism is built on money transfer from the have provinces to un-have
provinces, do you see Acholi writing a check every month to Buganda or vice
versa?
Yes; there is more than possibility that Acholi will be writing cheques to
sustain Buganda, why i say this is because economics, like the weather does
change. Jinja used to be the engine or the manufacturing base of Uganda but it
has now jiggers to show for it. I will not go into the reason why , but the
fact still remain that it has gone down in the rankings. Similarly, Luwero your
home town used to survive because of it's proximity to Bombo barracks and the
buses that plied the northern route but now, Luwero has grown so much
economically and could easily write a cheque to far flung regions like Rakai.
Equally, time will come when Acholi will be the economic hub of Uganda because
the potential is there. So that is blind fear.
9} How will you Federate again Acholi with West Nile people they forced into a
massacre as Ombacci?
Rapprochement between the two tribes took place donkey years ago and business
is thriving between the two tribes. I send my staff with Arua boys to Pakwack
without flinching that it is the wrong old guys ferrying it. So quit that but
bury that fear.
7} Federalism is the crown of democracy, Canada used that system after they
were respecting laws, Ontarians were not decapitating Nova Scotians, and if you
killed anyone the law was at your door. Your using Federalism as a democratic
panacea on the woes of Uganda is very delusional.
You're right. Federalism is the crown of democracy. Your using Federalism as a
democratic panacea on the woes of Uganda is very delusional. Wapi!
6} If the entire country is divisible, why isn’t Buganda divisible so that we
get two or three federal states in Buganda due to its size?
Mulindwa; from time immemorial, Buganda has been divided in many forms. Along
clan, Szaza, counties, district demarcations to mention but a few. I have
stated a trillion times here that UFA is going to let the people decide on the
model of federalism and this includes sizes, division, population etc. The one
thing that i would recommend is that, Kampala will remain an independent state,
so that it remains the administration capital. I know there will be objections
but there political compromise can always be reached.
3} If we are abandon unitary for Uganda is too big to be lead from Kampala
isn’t Buganda also too big to be lead from Mengo?
Refer to answer 6.
1} Changing Uganda from Unitary to Federal is a political issue than cultural
issue, remove Mengo from it entirely then you will start to make sense.
I agree entirely and i believe it will not be the first in the world.
b} Will it be a political structure in Buganda? Ofcourse it will be a
political structure! If so shouldn’t have you started by building that
structure before you sold Federalism? No, that is putting the egg before the
chicken.If you create it who will be the boss of the other? The elected
political structure in Buganda or Ssabassajja in Mengo?
The political structure will be headed by the political leader and Mengo by
the Kabaka; all with distinct roles. And it will not be the first in the world.
5} If Baganda love federalism why have they refused to support political
party’s like Kabaka Yekka which would have defended the interests of Buganda in
Parliament?
Federalism is not about Buganda but about Uganda. We have de-Bugandanised
federalism. The Baganda people are independent politically and its not fair to
suggest that they would all follow the same party. I can assure you that there
are Baganda, for instance, who do not take the monarchy to heart so, drop that
crap of homogeneity in political allegiance.
And do not lose sight of the fact that religion in Baganda is a factor one
cannot ignore.
Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Sekajja
Discussing Uganda federalism is not a new topic, there are men that even packed
their things and flew to Uganda for now Museveni is going to write a new
constitution that will change Uganda from a unitary system to a Federal system,
WBK is among those that packed. I base my argument on common sense facts that
have failed to be common to all living in this illusion.
1} Changing Uganda from Unitary to Federal is a political issue than cultural
issue, remove Mengo from it entirely then you will start to make sense.
2} How will Buganda benefit from this political change when it has failed to
create a political structure to sell it?
3} If we are abandon unitary for Uganda is too big to be lead from Kampala
isn’t Buganda also too big to be lead from Mengo?
4} What will lead Buganda?
{a} Will it is be Mengo? If the answer to that question is yes then you are
walking back to the 1966 crisis of turning Mengo into a cultural but a
political entity which will never work and the kingdom will again become the
victim
{b} Will it be a political structure in Buganda? If so shouldn’t have you
started by building that structure before you sold Federalism? If you create it
who will be the boss of the other? The elected political structure in Buganda
or Ssabassajja in Mengo?
5} If Baganda love federalism why have they refused to support political
party’s like Kabaka Yekka which would have defended the interests of Buganda in
Parliament?
6} If the entire country is divisible, why isn’t Buganda divisible so that we
get two or three federal states in Buganda due to its size?
7} Federalism is the crown of democracy, Canada used that system after they
were respecting laws, Ontarians were not decapitating Nova Scotians, and if you
killed anyone the law was at your door. Your using Federalism as a democratic
panacea on the woes of Uganda is very delusional.
8} How are you going to federate people like Acholi and Langi that are even
uncomfortable to sit with each other in a very simple political party as UPC?
9} How will you Federate again Acholi with West Nile people they forced into a
massacre as Ombacci?
10} Federalism is built on money transfer from the have provinces to un-have
provinces, do you see Acholi writing a check every month to Buganda or vice
versa?
I would have loved to continue with the unanswered questions but some of us
have jobs and I gotta go.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:56 AM
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
EM,
We have to come to learn one thing about you. You don't shy away from topics,
even when they are out of your "league". It does not matter if your
contribution will adds nothing of substance, you will at least try to convolute
the subject, Add value to a discussion, rather than thinking just jumping in
and making stale statements.
Of course we may not have federalism for next 100 or even 1000 years (to please
you!!!), but at what cost??? Well, I can tell the cost, - stagnation, political
chaos, backwardness, bad government, corruption, and tribal conflict. The
majority of Ugandans will live in chronic poverty, including your own Nubi/
Lugbara people.
What are your suggestions on how we move the country forward? Try and
think!!!!!! As you enjoy freedoms in Canada, a federal state, the Nubi/ Lugbara
in West Nile want the same freedoms.
I suggested that you all read about how federalism functions in Canada,
Switzerland, and how the European Union works. Don't forget to read Gregory
Fossedal's Direct Democracy in Switzerland. Please don't just jump in!!!!!!'
You remind me of some of my students, who always felt they had to answer a
question, even if they had no clue what the answer should be!!!!!!! Add value
or just read what others are contributing. I think people like Ocen and Dr
Kayondo are adding value to this discussion, albeit meeting better value from
the federalists.
I believe strongly unlike you, Mr Mulindwa, that I will see Uganda federalise
in my life time. More voices are joining us in a quest of a lasting solution
for peace!!!
Ssekajja
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Jun 2015, at 06:44, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Friends
Do you realize how Akim Odong runs from factual postings? The one where I told
him we were to turn barrackses into learning centers but export guns out of
Uganda, that never arrived on his screen. It is strange how these friends want
to tie the country into violence, thank God they will never make it, for I do
not see a UPC government back in power as I do not see Uganda becoming a
Federal state in the next 100 years.
Take a term illusion and paste it on your door.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:49 AM
To: 'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: Re: {UAH} EVERY DISCUSSION, UNCOUTH - WHAT LANGUAGE ARE THESE PEOPLE
SPEAKING?
Gwokto;
You have been away for far too long. That is how everybody in Uganda speaks.
worst of it all, every body now wants to speak like Mu7 with too much
hesitation, too much rrrrs, to many anecdotes and never seriously bringing a
sentence to completion without an unfitting joke of sort. We are used to it!
Akim
Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
....... withdraws support for controversial structure
<http://www.youtube.com/embed/QqkbxhBQPJM>
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