Steve Telford was a different issue by the looks. Nell
Sent from my iPhone On 29 Apr 2020, at 17:59, Stephen Wilcox <[email protected]> wrote: Someone asked earlier about details of bgp issues. I was on a VM connection during the issue from Staffordshire, traceroute to various big sites stopped at a node prefixed mil. Guessing maybe Milton Keynes rather than Milan due to the RTT. That doesn't sound like a Telford fibre break or an access issue. If they pick up UPC in London that could be the last hop, so it could be a failure between VM national and UPC upstream. Last time I saw a backbone diagram for VM was about 10 years ago, but I remember commenting to them, "and this actually works?", It was a crazy hotchpotch of regional networks hanging together on string, NYNEX and telewest were alive and well internally. It would not surprise me if the skeleton still looks the same even if labels and ASNs have since changed. So yeah, maybe the wet string needed more water.. On Wed, 29 Apr 2020, 15:21 Neil J. McRae, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Jeez, that article reminds me of Good Morning Vietnam (but not so funny). [DISK JOCKEY] “What's the weather like?” [SOLDIER] “You got a window.” Honestly don’t bother with it. From: Matthew Mercer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday, 29 April 2020 at 11:44 To: Neil McRae <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, Alan Ramsay <[email protected]<mailto:adramsay%[email protected]>> Cc: uknof <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, Paul Mansfield <[email protected]<mailto:paul%[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [uknof] VM Network 27/04 since 5pm Just to add to this. The wider issue we all experienced is looking to be peering / bgp as the problem (As we suspected) https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/04/intermittent-internet-connectivity-woes-strike-virgin-media-uk.html "Data provided to us by ThousandEyes has helped to track and trace the outage, or at least most of the related disruption, back to Liberty Global’s related UPC Broadband network (AS6830). You can see this a bit better with the visualisation below." (Have a look at the article) "The AS6830 network operates a lot of key peering arrangements with Content Delivery Networks (CDN), as well as other major UK and international networks (e.g. Akamai, Level 3, Telia, Cogent and about a thousand more like them). The visualisation shows that connectivity was disrupted to a number of those significant destinations. We now have a better understanding of where the issue occurred and why there were so many outages, although I’ll reserve writing about the detail of this until I can get some concrete confirmation on the problem itself." Anyone got any further information? Kindest Regards, Matthew Mercer ________________________________ From: uknof <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Neil J. McRae <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: 29 April 2020 11:35 To: Alan Ramsay <[email protected]<mailto:adramsay%[email protected]>> Cc: uknof <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Paul Mansfield <[email protected]<mailto:paul%[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [uknof] VM Network 27/04 since 5pm Alan, Not sure what organisation you are from, but are you share details on that BT outage? There should not be a situation where we lose FTTC/G.FAST/ADSL all at the same time from a single fibre break. If that happened something else went wrong and I’d want to take a look at it. Regards, Neil. From: Alan Ramsay <[email protected]<mailto:adramsay%[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday, 29 April 2020 at 11:29 To: Neil McRae <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Paul Mansfield <[email protected]<mailto:paul%[email protected]>>, uknof <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [uknof] VM Network 27/04 since 5pm The updates that we had regarding this was: -The ducting has now been repaired -The 800m of 160 is currently in the process of being pulled in. -The new cable has now been pulled in and prep work has began. -The ETR has now been revised to be between 01:00 - 02:00. I'm assuming that this was 800m of a 160 core fibre. It is a little worrying how susceptible Telford is to this, and how poorly connected things are around here on both BT and Virgin sides. So in the last 3 weeks, we've had an extended outage on all FTTC / ADSL / G.Fast based broadband service due to a single fibre break on the BT(O) side; and now a single fibre break has taken out all VM services into the same area. You would have thought that the infrastructure would have been in place to be more resilient than that! Alan On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Neil J. McRae <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Read the part about a fibre break… From: uknof <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Paul Mansfield <[email protected]<mailto:paul%[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday, 29 April 2020 at 10:38 To: Alan Ramsay <[email protected]<mailto:adramsay%[email protected]>>, uknof <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [uknof] VM Network 27/04 since 5pm just speculating wildly, was this a result of IPv6 deployment going wrong?
