This conversation reminds me of two things.
First, Helen Keller. It reminds me of how frustrated she was before  
she learned the names for things. I still clearly see Patti Duke as  
she feels water and realizes the name for water. How, for her, that  
was powerful.
I'm also reminded of how my own children's language developed. How  
often when they first began to talk, so many things sounded the same.  
To them, I'm sure they knew whether they wanted juice or shoes, but  
sometimes, for the life I couldn't understand them. It was  
frustrating for both of us.
I continue to be saddened to see children enter school so excited and  
curious about learning. Then, for some children, slowly that  
excitement turns into boredom; for some it turns into an  
unwillingness to try; for others, it turns into acting out. HOw lucky  
all our children would be if we gave them the kind of learning  
environments that Ellin envisions.
For me, MOT gave me the language I could use for mini lessons in  
reading. I set up a reading workshop ala Nancie Atwell, but wasn't  
sure what to teach. I guess I naively thought all middle school  
students would know how to read, but might not just like to read. My  
graduate classes really were no help in providing me with what  
students needed to understand. Although I probably didn't reach the  
rigor that Ellin  promotes, MOT gave me the language to help my  
students articulate their understanding.
Carol

On Mar 29, 2008, at 11:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> Elisa
> You are right, of course, our students are of course, thinking but  
> may not
> know productive ways to think about text as they read. But to play  
> devil's
> advocate here, would there be any thinking at all without language?  
> Do newborn
> babies think or does thinking and reasoning come with language in  
> general...so
> that by improving language you improve or even create, thinking? We're
> getting  pretty deep philosophically here for a Saturday morning,  
> aren't we? LOL!
> Jennifer
>
> In a message dated 3/29/2008 11:37:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> And, I  would argue that we're teaching a way of thinking not thinking
> itself.   That is already happening.  The thinking has to come  
> first before we can
> name it.  But, I think we all already know  that.
> Elisa
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