I agree, though certainly new teachers need support.  I always  think about
Piaget's research that says that children learn best not from experts, but
from those a few steps ahead.  I do not mean to set myself up as expert--far
from it--but sometimes I find myself coaching over the heads of new teachers
who just aren't ready for this yet. It is a self-reminder I must give
frequently.


On 9/28/08 10:34 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh, yes, Lori, I totally understand.  In fact, I'll just bet the coaches would
> rather be working with us vets dedicated to delving, but the powers that be...
> However, I would like to say that I think the district would get a lot of bang
> for its buck if it would help us at the higher levels and let us help the
> newbies.  
> Just a thought,
> Judy
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: ljackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Amen, Judy, but this is not always the doing of coaches.  Sometimes it is
>> the administrative pushing for mentoring vs. coaching. I see a need for
>> both, but some at the admin level see it as synonymous--pushing towards
>> working only with the new staff.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/28/08 8:27 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've saved all of your posts and have reread this one several times.  I've
>>> reflected deeply on the sentiment that some of you are trying to move
>>> teachers
>>> in a direction they don't want to travel...and I've tried not to let your
>>> posts bother me.  But now, LOL, I can't stand it anymore and I'm going to
>>> tell
>>> you why they do.
>>> 
>>> As a teacher who WANTS with all her heart to teach deeply and to the highest
>>> of expectations, I am bothered that our coaches think I need no help.  All
>>> coaching help goes to the new teachers.  I find this sad for two reasons:
>>> first, I want to improve.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, the help that is going to our new teachers is not deep.  Believe
>>> me,
>>> our new teachers are hard-working, but the standard in my district is high
>>> and
>>> they're swimming as fast as they can just to survive day-to-day.  We have 2
>>> brand new teachers (of 4) at my grade level.  I've put in a lot of time
>>> helping them and I believe they're just not ready for deep thinking as they
>>> don't know anything about teaching reading.  Perhaps Ellin will say that ALL
>>> teachers can start off with comprehension strategies on day #1, but it seems
>>> to me these darling new teachers need some foundation in the more tangible
>>> aspects (like decoding, fluency, and surface/literal comprehension).  It
>>> seems
>>> to me that they just don't have enough understanding of the reading process
>>> to
>>> be ready for the really tough stuff.  I hope you'll say I'm wrong and that
>>> they can do it all, but I wonder....
>>> 
>>> Judy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>> From: Steve Mabry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> HI all!
>>>>  
>>>> I am intrigued by the final question for our first reading.
>>>>  
>>>> ....In what ways can we live our adult lives as intellectually curious
>>>> leaders  
>>>> for our students and for our colleagues? 
>>>>  
>>>> I can't tell you how many nights I stayed up thinking - why didn't my
>>>> teachers 
>>>> get it?  Why don't they want to help their students - to move them beyond
>>>> the
>>>> expected curriculum and into differentiation and individualization and
>>>> understanding?  Why they didn't have an internal drive and motivation to
>>>> replicate what Ellin and Debbie and everyone was writing about and modeling
>>>> in 
>>>> their books?  I modeled the ideas and goals at faculty meetings and in our
>>>> weekly newsletters by both taking pictures of the activities and usage of
>>>> the
>>>> strategies in classes and including snapshots and ideas from the books
>>>> themselves.  
>>>>  
>>>> But I could not motivate the teachers who were in the "been there done
>>>> that"
>>>> mode.  They made fun of the teachers who were taking leaps.  They got
>>>> extremely 
>>>> cliquey.  It was just so depressing!  What kept me going was the fact that
>>>> I
>>>> knew what I was writing/talking/modeling was right for both the teacher and
>>>> the 
>>>> students.
>>>>  
>>>> So....to answer the question - by modeling, blogging, dicsussing, showing
>>>> how
>>>> to 
>>>> never stop learning...our actions speak louder than words.  The sad thing
>>>> is
>>>> that there are so many of us who are isolated islands of application.  The
>>>> good 
>>>> thing is that there are places like this where the isolated islands can
>>>> find
>>>> refuge, mentorship, and relief.
>>>>  
>>>> But how to be there for our colleagues?  I think they have to be ready
>>>> first.
>>>>  
>>>> I obviously never figured out the answer to that one!
>>>> Lori
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
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>> Lori Jackson
>> District Literacy Coach & Mentor
>> Todd County School District
>> Box 87
>> Mission SD  57555
>>  
>> http:www.tcsdk12.org
>> ph. 605.856.2211
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Todd County School District
Box 87
Mission SD  57555
 
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