On 2013/10/02 9:52, Leo Broukhis wrote:
Thanks! That comes out exactly right, although using math markup for
linguistic purposes is, IMO, a stretch.
Why? Surely like in other fields (Math to start with), there somewhere
is a boundary between plain text and rich text. Of course it's not
always easy to agree on the exact place of the boundary, but in general,
most people would agree it's there.
Regards, Martin.
Leo
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Mark E. Shoulson<[email protected]> wrote:
|With MathML, you could||use:||
||
||anathemati||||<math><**mmultiscripts><none/><mi
mathvariant="roman">s</mi><mi mathvariant="roman">z</mi></**math>| (drop
that in an HTML document and take a look).
This doesn't look like plain text to me. I don't think it argues in favor
of any sort of combining Z or general combinator mark. This is just what
markup is for.
~mark
On 10/01/2013 08:05 PM, Leo Broukhis wrote:
If my understanding of interlinear annotations is correct, to achieve
similarity with the attached sample some markup will be required as well:
anathemati<sup><U+FFF9>z<U+**FFFA>s<U+FFFB></sup>e.
Leo
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Jean-François Colson<[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>> wrote:
Le 01/10/13 15:39, Philippe Verdy a écrit :
In plain text, we would just use the [s|z] notation without
care about presentation& font sizes used in the rendered rich
text page. It correctly represent the intended alternation
without giving more importance to one base letter.
But it you wanted to allow plain text search with collators, you
would need to choose one as the base letter and the other
one as a combining diacritic with ignored higher-level
differences, using either US English or British/International
English to fix the base letter (the other letter would be an
interlinear annotation for the second orthography, either above
or below the base letter).
Interlinear annotation… Yes, of course, you could write
anathemati<U+FFF9>z<U+FFFA>s<**U+FFFB>e. Halas, the characters
U+FFF9 INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR
U+FFFA INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION SEPARATOR
U+FFFB INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION TERMINATOR
are not supported by any software I know.
2013/10/1 Steffen Daode<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Khaled Hosny<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>**> wrote:
|Using TeX:
|
| \def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
Using groff:
#!/bin/sh -
cat<< \!> t.tr<http://t.tr>
.de zs
. nr #1 \\w'z'
\\Z'\
\\v'-.25v's\
\\h'-\\n(#1u'\
\\v'.5v'z\
'\
\\h'\\n(#1u'
. rr #1
..
Fraterni
.zs
e.
!
groff t.tr<http://t.tr> > t.ps<http://t.ps>
ps2pdf t.ps<http://t.ps>
rm t.tr<http://t.tr> t.ps<http://t.ps>
exit 0
(Can surely be tweaked.)
|Regards,
|Khaled
Ciao,
--steffen
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 11:09:31 +0200
Subject: Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 05:51:09PM -0700, Leo Broukhis wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Attached is a part of page 36 of Henry Alford's *The
Queen's English: a
> manual of idiom and usage (1888)* [
>
http://archive.org/details/**queensenglishman00alfo<http://archive.org/details/queensenglishman00alfo>
]
>
> Is the way to indicate alternative s/z spellings used there
plain text
> (arguably, if it can be done with a typewriter, it is plain
text)
I see a typeset book not an output of a typewriter.
> or rich text (ignoring the font size of letters s and z)?
>
> If it's the latter, what's the markup to achieve it?
Using TeX:
\def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
49. How are we to decide between {\it s} and {\it z} in
such words as
anathemati\s{}e, cauteri\s{}e, criti\-ci\s{}e,
deodori\s{}e, dogmati\s{}e,
fraterni\s{}e, and the rest? Many of these are derived from
Greek
\bye
Regards,
Khaled
