You guys, this logic makes no sense to me. Sorry Ray, but I want to break this down:
Let's say I am a person who really believes that there should be a gigantic public bathhouse in Clark Park for all to use. Let's say that I'm really passionate about it, and I believe it's for the public good, and most people will use it, and we can have masseuses in there on the public payroll, and servants with grapes and weird lighting and it will be great fun. Don't I have the right to self-select myself to campaign for this? And if I get a group of like-minded people together to enact change, don't we have the right as a group to work towards out goals? We aren't elected officials, so we are not obligated to reflect the views of anyone but ourselves. Of course we will fail in our efforts, because a great big sweaty bathhouse in Clark Park would likely not be in the public interest and would be grody. But we have the right to try to sway people to our cause because we are a group of individuals bound by a common vision of loveliness. We are not elected. (FOCP is not elected, it's a non-governmental group and therefore has the right to do whatever the hell its members vote on.) You would of course have the right and social obligation to form a counter-group, called something like "Neighbors Against Sweaty McBathhouseification" or something. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m (r) Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:26 AM To: '[email protected] ' Subject: Re: [UC] Re: [UC-Announce] Clark Park Dog Run Update [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not really. Although Ray is undoubtedly stating the idea this way to > stimulate discussion, he's right. You probably wouldn't circulate two > petitions, but anyone truly interested in determining popular > sentiment would prepare some kind of unbiased survey that allowed > respondents to express their views in a way that could be analyzed to > obtain a reliable result. A survey prepared by a group having > representatives on both sides, and circulated by just such a group -- > all to avoid as much bias as possible. This, by the way, is what I've > suggested on numerous occasions for gauging the local sentiment vis-a-vis HD or HD vs NCD. all part of a recurring pattern? ( p e r c e i v e d c r i s i s ) self-selected self-defined appeals to non-elected solutions in city govt costs members of --> the name of --> without --> borne local n'hood public good real public by all organizations (dog run, hd) mandates ( r e s u l t i n g c i t i z e n s h i p ) ......... laserbeam(r) [aka ray] focp : dog run :: uchs/shca : historic district ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
