Andy,

Your making some criticisms of me, so I'd like to respond.  You probably don't 
remember my early posts nor the many names I was called by those who receive 
harsh treatment from me.  I remember them quite vividly.

I would love to stop peppering my posts with anger.  Unfortunately, they may 
have been necessary to help spark the recent discussion of civility.

Whether it's the fallacious argumentative strategies, the type of character 
attack just attempted at me, or starting the name calling; it's destructive and 
can't be seen as productive.  

What strategy should one take against the bullying which is meant to silence 
dissent?  I hate being ganged up upon and I hate having to show anger publicly 
to help demonstrate how hurtful this ganging--up with trickery can be.

The issues I stress are very important.  If I was not receiving so much of this 
stuff aimed at me, others that wish to speak up would be receiving this 
battery. And in addition to hurting them personally, the bullies might get 
their wish and force someone to shut-up to stop receiving the attacks.  That is 
the intent of the bullying and ganging.

No one that doesn't deserve harsh treatment will get it from me.  No one needs 
to fear harsh treatment from me if they don't get involved with the ganging-up 
or trickery.  How do people react when they see how I have been treated when I 
express my views about very serious issues?  That is what individuals who are 
intimidated to post things need to be fearful about not because of me or my 
return of insults.

If we can figure out a way to stop the trickery meant to silence dissent and 
the ganging up with a "free pass,"  I promise not to call anyone any names.  Go 
back and look at some of the issues I've posted about in Clark Park and look at 
the names I've been called, the trickery and lies I've had to fight through.  
It may help you understand my responses.  

I believed that it was good for readers to see my anger at bullying.  It's not 
OK to condone bullying because someone is believed to be a political ally but 
that happens in our neighborhood and on this list all the time.  I've gotten so 
sick of this way of life in the district that I've resolved to leave the 
country within a few years when I can.

Nevertheless, if we can find a way to stop the trickery and the ganging, again, 
I promise not to call anyone any names and engage in only civil discussions.  I 
genuinly feel bad at lashing out but as the events of yesterday showed us, this 
is some serious stuff going on and these are serious issues facing our 
community.

I want you to know, if I didn't know what is going on in the district and 
didn't feel a strong committment to the people who once welcomed me here, I 
would have just moved several years ago.

Sincerely,
Glenn

 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Frishkoff 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people


  >besides all this, I think glenn was treated quite badly onlist last 
  >evening, and it was chilling to witness the accusations, the 
  >speculations, the pilings-on, the cheerings from the sidelines (and 
  >yes, the silences) -- as well as the ease, the speed and the sheer 
  >malice of it all.
  >
  >people may want to excuse themselves by citing their inexperience 
  >with online 'hi-tech stuff', but there's no excuse for this kind of 
  >behavior, online or in person.
  >
  >
  >..................
  >UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
  >

  Thank you.  Glenn was treated badly last night and there is noi excuse for 
it.  I hope that you agree that there is also no excuse for:

  Mike and Glenn's name-calling; 

  Glenn's ad hominem attacks against others and defenses of himself; 

  Tony's persistent harping on your attempt to reframe UCD's role in our 
community;

  Al's butchering of Lewis Wendell's name;

  Al's offensive use of the term "flackette,"

  . . . and countless other mean-spirited posts that create distance between us 
and put us all to shame.

  Andy



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