My dear Reyom, I would be very surprised if I suggested that blabbermouths be removed from the list. I would likely have suggested that they be subject to social controls, that landing on the former top 10 lists should be an occasion for introspection. But, as one of my clients used to tell me, "quote me if I'm wrong." Be that as it may, this was an unusually fine post from Nnelg.
Mr. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:51 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Spinning out of control, was: Debunking the hysteria Pmuyehara, Sorry buddy. Please don't be mad at me. I think I got confused about your name back when you never signed your messages. I thought, who is this guy always taking pot shots at me becuse of my criticism of FOCP? I didn't even know your name when you suggested that people like me should be kicked off the listserv. I can't remember if I thanked you when you answered me and signed the name "Paul" Thank you Pmuyehara. I do really need to work on my spelling. Your buddy, Reyom Nnelg PS: My new name sounds like a name for a barbarian warrior. Where is my battle ax! ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: [UC] Spinning out of control, was: Debunking the hysteria Where's the e-mirror when you need it? I have recently learned that no matter what I say to this person, he will 1) misspell my screen name, 2) disagree with what I say, 3) attack me personally rather than engage on the merits, 4) accuse me of conspiring with others, profess to know my intentions, plans and favorite color; and 5) more than likely be uncivil. I suppose it is tilting at windmills to try again to explain that lashing out personally and viciously at all who disagree may serve to silence them, but it does not win them over. Even if it is true, he is consciously, or so he says, being nasty as a tactic that he believes will turn the tide of disagreement back. Despite all evidence to the contrary, suggesting it just undermines his credibility and covers up any significant issues he seeks to highlight, drawing attention instead to his ugly discourse. Have you ever heard a true proponent of free speech criticizing people for engaging in disagreement? First amendment believers see the remedy to disagreeable and ugly positions in more discussion and disagreement. If you favor civility, be civil. If you like name calling, call names. Just stop complaining about free speech, disagreement, name calling and bullying when your comments are unbounded. Where is that darn e-mirror? NNELG -----Original Message----- From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Andy Frishkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people Andy, Your making some criticisms of me, so I'd like to respond. You probably don't remember my early posts nor the many names I was called by those who receive harsh treatment from me. I remember them quite vividly. I would love to stop peppering my posts with anger. Unfortunately, they may have been necessary to help spark the recent discussion of civility. Whether it's the fallacious argumentative strategies, the type of character attack just attempted at me, or starting the name calling; it's destructive and can't be seen as productive. What strategy should one take against the bullying which is meant to silence dissent? I hate being ganged up upon and I hate having to show anger publicly to help demonstrate how hurtful this ganging--up with trickery can be. The issues I stress are very important. If I was not receiving so much of this stuff aimed at me, others that wish to speak up would be receiving this battery. And in addition to hurting them personally, the bullies might get their wish and force someone to shut-up to stop receiving the attacks. That is the intent of the bullying and ganging. No one that doesn't deserve harsh treatment will get it from me. No one needs to fear harsh treatment from me if they don't get involved with the ganging-up or trickery. How do people react when they see how I have been treated when I express my views about very serious issues? That is what individuals who are intimidated to post things need to be fearful about not because of me or my return of insults. If we can figure out a way to stop the trickery meant to silence dissent and the ganging up with a "free pass," I promise not to call anyone any names. Go back and look at some of the issues I've posted about in Clark Park and look at the names I've been called, the trickery and lies I've had to fight through. It may help you understand my responses. I believed that it was good for readers to see my anger at bullying. It's not OK to condone bullying because someone is believed to be a political ally but that happens in our neighborhood and on this list all the time. I've gotten so sick of this way of life in the district that I've resolved to leave the country within a few years when I can. Nevertheless, if we can find a way to stop the trickery and the ganging, again, I promise not to call anyone any names and engage in only civil discussions. I genuinly feel bad at lashing out but as the events of yesterday showed us, this is some serious stuff going on and these are serious issues facing our community. I want you to know, if I didn't know what is going on in the district and didn't feel a strong committment to the people who once welcomed me here, I would have just moved several years ago. Sincerely, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Frishkoff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Debunking the hysteria RE: [UC] Question for tech people >besides all this, I think glenn was treated quite badly onlist last >evening, and it was chilling to witness the accusations, the >speculations, the pilings-on, the cheerings from the sidelines (and >yes, the silences) -- as well as the ease, the speed and the sheer >malice of it all. > >people may want to excuse themselves by citing their inexperience >with online 'hi-tech stuff', but there's no excuse for this kind of >behavior, online or in person. > > >.................. >UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN > Thank you. Glenn was treated badly last night and there is noi excuse for it. I hope that you agree that there is also no excuse for: Mike and Glenn's name-calling; Glenn's ad hominem attacks against others and defenses of himself; Tony's persistent harping on your attempt to reframe UCD's role in our community; Al's butchering of Lewis Wendell's name; Al's offensive use of the term "flackette," . . . and countless other mean-spirited posts that create distance between us and put us all to shame. Andy PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see . No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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