As for a new list, I can see some arguments on both sides. What I can't see, though, is how "lightly moderated" is getting translated into having a "blacklist" -- a term that's been thrown out by at least three different people so far.
-----Original Message----- From: Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 2:57 am Subject: Re: [UC] Listserve Reform of the UC list I'm with you guys (and Maggie). Besides, meeting in person to discuss this stuff defeats the purpose of the list entirely since the list itself is a "place" to discuss things. It also immediately excludes anyone who can't be at the meeting place at the meeting time. One of the points of the listserv is that it's available to and includes everyone--everyone with computer access at least. This just seems silly. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Jul 28, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote: Hear, hear! If the name of this new forum is as Al Krigman wrote, that says it all. This is the by-product mentality of people who are used to arranging their communities as they see fit, (i.e. suburban-type developments with all the amenities in place.) NOW, all we have to do is find the “right kind of people” to share in “our little corner of Heaven.” This is a city! You will find ALL types of people in cities and one should not feel threatened when their statements or opinions shatter the illusions of how YOU may have thought life and the world was like for everybody. THEN to cap it off hide behind this, “Aren’t I a wonderful person because I choose to live in such a diverse community!” façade. That in particular is galling. Your post is a very clear and sensible way to approach these lists and I thank you. On 7/28/07 9:43 PM, "David Toccafondi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm surprised this is such a big deal. And I'm not sure what constitutes "bad traffic" other than outright spam. I've been reading this listserv for at least the past 6 years, and i've never seen it as a problem. I set up a separate email account for the lists I subscribe to so that my main account doesn't get overwhelmed, and I use Gmail, which does a great job of threading the conversations to make everything much easier to keep track of. When my life gets too busy, I just don't read it for a while. If a topic gets posted that I'm not interested in, I ignore it. If someone keeps being obnoxious on the list, I ignore the emails from that person. If there's spam (and I really haven't been aware of spam on this list), gmail automatically filters it into my spam folder or I just delete it. Yes, there are posts which I don't like, but so what? That's life, isn't! it? I think it's really useful to have a single place where everyone can post. Having multiple lists ultimately just waters everything down and makes it harder for everyone to get a clear and complete picture of what's happening in the neighborhood. Given that everyone who reads the list can simply delete or ignore what they're not interested in means that there's no reason this list can't be different things for different people. For some people it's an opportunity to discuss local politics. For others, it's a place to announce events. For others, it's a place to complain. I thought the idea was that this was essentially an online community that reflected the opinions and interests and needs of the physical community of West Philadelphia. dave On 7/28/07, B Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm tired of the bad traffic here on the listserve, and I know I'm not the only one. I propose we meet in person to discuss one (or more) of five options: *Develop rules and guidelines (and allow moderation) *Migrate to psfni *start an alternate group *Move to a BB like Phillyblog *leave things as they are = ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
