Or this:
The use of University computer resources for private business or
commercial activities (except where such activities are otherwise
permitted or authorized under applicable University policies),
fundraising or advertising on behalf of non-University
organizations...are prohibited.
The following activities and behaviors are prohibited:
Making University computing resources available to individuals not
affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania without approval of an
authorized University official;
Intentionally infringing upon the intellectual property rights of
others in computer programs or electronic information (including
plagiarism and unauthorized use or reproduction).
It's all here:
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/osl/electron.html
So...don't promote your business; don't tell anyone to give to a
charitable organization, including FOCP, etc., or attend their
activities; only Penn employees will be allowed to moderate the list;
and there will be no excerpts from other publications.
Interesting. It looks like someone didn't do their homework.
Frankus
Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible.
On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Glenn wrote:
Respect for the principles of open expression
Truthfulness and honesty in personal and computer identification;
Wilma,
I deleted Winkler from this reply because he is a barking cheese now.
Someone forwarded the links to the Penn policy on use of electronic
resources. Cloaking the censorship policy of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] as well as pre banning a "Resident Of
University City" as Penn is now calling barking cheese, would
appear to violate the highest core principals of Penn's stated policy.
You are right on target with the criticisms you've shared with me.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Wilma de Soto
To: FX Winkler ; Glenn ; Jonathan Herrmann ; UnivCity listserv
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
This is from a post of mine on July 29, 2007:
“Let’s add to that the active recruiting of new members and/or
diverting existing members to the new listserv, because the UC
listserv has a bunch of, fill in the blank: crazies, cranks,
belligerent non-viable entities with whom you would NEVER want to
communicate and the sort of people who are just the fringe elements
and not indicative of the wants of the “real community.” or:
“Come to our listserv. You’ll like it much better! You don’t want
to join the UC listserv because....”
Well... I hate to say I told you so.
On 8/2/07 9:44 AM, "FX Winkler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Soon it will be very quiet because the only ones left will be the
loonies.
Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Subject: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
All (particularly Glenn Moyer):
Thanks for your reply Jon.
As with Andrew Zitcer’s opinion piece in a citywide paper, you
should have disclosed your close relationship with Penn power
brokers and leadership of Campus Philly before I did it for you,
and others did for Andrew on this list. I know you but there are
other individuals, who are in fact caught up with some very
distressing Penn initiatives. I don’t think badly of you nor do I
have any reason to believe your participation was anything but a
mistake. I simply disclosed your connections and the timing in
this very serious matter. Please consider this a good-natured
reprimand.
The issue is not about a lost kitty in the neighborhood so your
disclosure was very important.
You are not a known regular on the list. You came onto a
neighborhood listserv with complaints about this open list, which
serves as a serious medium for communication in this neighborhood.
Common individuals have limited opportunities to freely communicate
their ideas unlike Campus Philly or Penn.
In recent news accounts, this list sticks out as being so important
that the discussions are referenced. Some questionable characters
with close ties to the UCD assert that discussions about topics
like lost kitties must be the only topics here. Those posts are
important too. But I've noticed that any discussion of serious
issues that might be important to all community residents are
labeled as "noise" when the "wrong" viewpoints or questions are asked.
At a time when a gang of list bullies is pretending that incivility
here is driving them to censorship, you joined in support of the
effort without offering disclosure. If you had been reading the
list, you would have known that Mr. Cassidy and the small chorus of
advocates for censorship on a Penn marketed site are indeed the
core of a group of individuals who engage in group listserv bullying.
They do the bullying against those who speak against some Penn
policies and the incivility of their mates engaging in the listserv
bullying. I can show you a powerful example when a couple of those
whom would be banned stood up against truly disturbing behavior.
A man was murdered in the neighborhood. With what seemed like
perverse pleasure, Cassidy and this "civil" gang were making
extremely disturbing callous jokes about the murder.
These individuals who would be banned and do post with civility
stood up to this perversity while those demanding civility were the
abusive ones. In fact, one of the individuals identified to be
banned is a model of civility while his character is attacked
almost daily while the gang of the censored list cheers on!
Had you been reading the list, you would know that the fallacious
strategies of Mr Cassidy, the Penn employee with complete power and
secrecy over the new list, and the gang have been thoroughly
exposed and discredited. Because this is a free and uncensored
list, neighbors exercising their duty as citizens exposed them just
like they completely exposed Andrew Zitcer’s ties to Penn! It was
a serious lack of disclosure, and I hope Andrew too made a mistake.
Your new post suggests you may understand why a Penn internet
replacement of a neighborhood listserv, demanding censorship and
control, is a threat to democratic principals in the twenty-first
century??? The people you support want Penn to replace an extremely
valuable community communication medium with one ruthlessly
controlled and censored to support Penn policies.
Jon these people look like bullies and propagandists. Penn is
involved and unfortunately you have involved yourself and it
appeared like Campus Philly. You’re not just any employee; you are
the director of Campus Philly?
Please consider this request...
I’d like to ask you for some help. I’d like to take a complaint
about cloaking censorship directly to President Gutman’s office.
Penn is being used to promote censorship. Penn resources are being
used to support and MARKET this new attempt at what seems like a
larger pattern of neighborhood censorship.
That is specifically what bothered me about Andrew's opinion piece
not disclosing his connection in the issues. He was making an
attempt to discredit those whose protest posters about Penn
policies are mercilessly torn down by UCD?
Really take a look at the censored site and the connections on a
upenn.edu mailing list where it is titled "Residents of University
City." I went to Penn too and worked at Penn or with Penn
researchers for well over a decade. I don’t want to see this shame
for the University.
A normal subscriber would have no chance to understand the
censorship and banning that is protected information under
Cassidy's control. The only clue is the warning that only Cassidy
may know whom is subscribed.
Could you set up a meeting with Andrew Zitcer, you, and Ira Harkavy
to discuss this issue?
I’d like to have my complaint considered by the university first.
This is a very serious problem and it will bring shame and
embarrassment to the University. I'd like the three of you to help
make sure the complaint gets to the President's attention.
Mr Cassidy immediately bragged about pre banning individuals. Even
a cursory glance at our list archives will show you that civility
can not possibly be the driving issue for this action.
What message does this send to other "residents of University
City?" Penn is already passively marketing this list as something
it is not. When UCD and other resources do this as well, I believe
the picture will be complete for the media to investigate.
Thanks again for your reply,
Glenn
PS: Did you notice how civil the purple list is since the gang of
bullies is lying low?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Herrmann <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
All (particularly Glenn Moyer):
There seems to be some confusion about my role with this list serve
controversy. Here are my clarifications:
1 - I live in University City/ West Philly. The nonprofit I direct,
Campus Philly, has nothing to do with my participation on this or
any other list serve in West Philly. In fact, our offices are now
in Center City. We do have a relationship with Penn, Drexel, USIP,
and twenty other schools, but we are an independent nonprofit and
we are strictly concerned with our mission to attract, engage, and
employ college students in the city and region.
2 - I have never met Kyle Cassidy, and I once met Bruce Anderson. I
am not in love with Kyle's new list and I am personally not in
favor of any "new" list being on a Penn server. I do applaud Kyle
for starting a new list because this list is very poorly organized,
from my perspective, and I wish as a local resident for a more
useful and less abused local list serve. My desire is for that list
serve to be independent from Penn, despite the fact that I attended
Penn, I contribute money to Penn, and on the whole I think Penn has
done great work for the community. I think we are wasting resources
by not using a universal service like Yahoo or Google that
constantly adds new and useful community features. West Philly
Freecycle is amazing, and simple, and not abused. But it is not a
forum.
3 - There has been an idea publicly floated by Bruce Anderson to
merge the "new" list with the PFSNI list. I have no opinion about
the PFSNI list, except that it is significantly less abusive than
the UnivCity list, and therefore I read the PFSNI list. I presume
that Penn runs the list as a service to the community, as PFSNI
stands for Penn Faculty, Students, Neighborhood, Something... I
therefore presume that if the "community" wanted to "take it over,"
then people on that list and at Penn should get together and talk
about it.
4 - The first time I ever spoke to anyone about this issue was my e-
mail to UnivCity applauding the concept. I would not be writing
about it publicly again if my company's name hadn't been alluded to
in an e-mail.
5 - I am personally (solely on my own behalf, not on behalf of my
organization, my wife, or my wife's synagogue) planning to
participate in an offline conversation about the need for a better
list. I will publicly let you know that I wish there were a better
list in this community, but I do not have any negative wishes
against this list. I will simply unsubscribe when there is a better
alternative. If I can be helpful to anyone working to create a
better community list serve, I am not embarrassed to offer that
help. I don't think it is called a conspiracy when it is done
publicly.
Thank you,
Jon Grabelle Herrmann
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