Obama preferred single payer as you might remember, and historically using private Insurance Companies was never his first choice. Even his plan for a competitive government alternative was shot down by republicans; it was a VERY watered down compromise bill. If existing insurance plans are illegally insufficient or Insurance Companies are being too greedy, who should be blamed. Your foul threats are a blemish on this listserve Craig.
On Nov 3, 2013, at 4:51 PM, [email protected] wrote: > "If you like your plan you can keep your plan." -POTUS Obama > > Comrade Conrad, Apparatchik of University City, tell your lies; tell them > big; tell them often. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUpJDzyRnY#t=33 > > When the Revolution goes hot again, you and Moyer's crimes against the people > will be remembered. > > Ciao, > > Craig > > > ____________________________________________ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard D. Conrad <[email protected]> > To: univcity <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:45 am > Subject: Fwd: [UC] Best coverage... more... > > http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/the_rights_sickest_obamacare_lie_yet/ > > Sorry, I should have included the site info, in case you want to read the > rather excellent article in full. > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Richard D. Conrad" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [UC] Best coverage... more... >> Date: November 2, 2013 at 5:45:08 AM EDT >> To: Glenn moyer <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: "Richard D. Conrad" <[email protected]> >> >> From SALON: This is, in effect, exactly what the Affordable Care Act does >> with respect to some currently existing, private insurance policies. If >> those policies don’t meet a new, higher bar of quality coverage, then the >> government will no longer allow insurance companies to sell them. Instead, >> the 5 percent of Americans who rely on the individual insurance market for >> their coverage will have other options, all that provide better quality >> coverage and many of which are far less expensive. Plus, at least half of >> folks on the individual market will be eligible for subsidies that further >> bring costs down. >> >> On Nov 1, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Glenn moyer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Millions of people across the country are being dropped by their health >>> insurance companies and offered new "products." Individual policy holders >>> are the first target, but the rest of the middle class will follow. >>> >>> And another lie is coming from the democrats, that these cancellations are >>> like the substandard policies Obamacare is peddling to the poor. My >>> outrageously expensive policy, being canceled, was for 100% coverage. When >>> the great "health reform" charade was first taking place, we were also all >>> dropped and given $5000 deductibles in the new product. Canceling these >>> insurance "products" every year or two seems to have multiple purposes for >>> Wall St., and will obviously be a central way of dumping the newly sick on >>> the government after the sick are made bankrupt. >>> >>> >>> The crappy products some working poor will get through massive government >>> subsidies to the criminal insurance industry will not help them access >>> medical care nor will it keep most of them, or any of them with serious new >>> illnesses, from going bankrupt. For many, these barriers and catastrophes >>> will be even more likely, as more of their income is directed to premiums >>> and deductibles. The Obamacare supporters pretend not to understand the >>> barriers that a $5000-10,000 deductible means, after you send your last few >>> dollars to a health insurance company. >>> >>> Wall St. is trying to divide individual policy holders against the poor by >>> thrusting millions of us into precarious situations. Instead of seeing the >>> entire Obamacare sham as a windfall for Wall St. that does not help the >>> poor as their deceptions pretend, we are supposed to get angry at this fake >>> "socialism" that is being used against us. >>> >>> Millions of people are either being forced to absorb tremendous premium >>> increases and deductible increases, or they will be forced to take the >>> crappy Obamacare type insurance that will put them at increased risk for >>> bankruptcy! (It's simple math to look at common medical bills and >>> calculate your 40%, 30% or 10% share after satisfying your deductible, >>> prescription drugs and out of network expenses). >>> >>> What these two political parties are doing for Wall St. is to change all >>> health insurance into various levels of crappy catastrophe insurance that >>> will eventually leave at least 50-75% of the American people at risk for >>> medical bankruptcy and poor access to medical care while taking more >>> profits from our meager incomes. Medicare, medicaid, social security, and >>> all social supports will then be attacked, and those of us already >>> attacked, are to stay silent and blame the poor for our new insecurities! >>> Divide and conquer! >>> >>> Wall St. and their Democrat/Republican servants are experts at >>> manufacturing crises and pitting the middle class against the poor. All >>> through this charade, the Obamacare astroturf groups pretended that the >>> TEMPORARY consumer protections would stop profitable abuses by their >>> corporate masters. IT'S NOT REDUCED PROFITS THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE >>> ELIMINATION OF PRE-EXISTING CONDITION REFUSALS, ETC. It's skyrocketing >>> premiums and deductibles from millions of people. And they make more >>> profit on that too! >>> >>> Also, by constructing the system so that those insured families with >>> serious new illnesses will quickly go bankrupt and be forced onto medicaid, >>> they only risk insuring the sick for a limited time and hopefully many will >>> die quickly. >>> >>> I pay 7000 a year in premiums and a 5000 deductible before I would get 1 >>> penny of health insurance coverage from Wall St. Now they want a 6000 >>> deductible and haven't given the new premium rate! Do you see why health >>> insurance stocks went up the day Obamacare passed????? >>> >>> Here are some relevant links that should not be too difficult. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/how_the_1_percent_always_wins_liberal_washing_is_the_rights_new_favorite_tactic/ >>> >>> >>> Here is a good explanation from Harvard researcher, Dr. Woolhandler. She >>> also coauthored the Harvard study of mortality rates among the uninsured. >>> >>> >>> http://socialistworker.org/2013/10/29/obamacare-doesnt-treat-the-illness >>> >>> "Many people are going to find that their insurance is just not very good. >>> It doesn't give them the financial protection they need--particularly for >>> people with serious and expensive chronic illnesses. >>> We've done a lot of work at PNHP, as you may know, on medical bankruptcy. >>> While I was at Harvard Medical School, I worked with my Harvard colleague >>> Elizabeth Warren at the law school on one of the most widely cited studies >>> on medical bankruptcy. The most common single cause of medical bankruptcy >>> was that people had insurance, but it had so many gaps--like co-payments, >>> deductibles and uncovered services--that they were bankrupted anyway by a >>> prolonged illness. That type of medical bankruptcy will continue--and, if >>> anything, may increase--under Obamacare." >>> >>> >>> . >> >
