Martin, don't give up that easily. Read on why ....
Martin S. Weber wrote: > Quoting "Martin S. Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> You though should >> - remove dead code / support files (build.xml, build.bat et al) >> - update your documentation and release notes. >> >> I'll be writing an issue for you to remember. > > Uh.. it seems I won't. Someone used to JIRA should probably do that. To > the above two points, add 'make bugreporting easier' and 'add webform to > report bugs'. > > I might add, trying to find something on your homepage is a constant > source of furstration. How to submit a bugreport doesn't tell you how to > do that, it's just telling you which data you should submit. But not > *how*. There's no link on the actual site where you might submit a bug. > Linking to JIRA itself gives the impression you have to install that. > > If I follow the link to jira.codehaus.org/browse/CASTOR all I see is a > big fat clumsy interface of browsing existing bugs and lots of reports. > No 'submit' link. I don't want to sign up to yet another site. I want to > report a bug, sheesh ...I'm giving up here :( Browse to http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/CASTOR, sign up and you'll find a link saying 'Create new issue' right at the top. You will have to sign up, as otherwise all Jira instances maintained at the Codehaus (~100) will be flooded with spam by robots. Sorry, but this is simply policy. And guess what: Sun, Spring, et alias require sign-up. In other words, we are not trying to make your life hard. > Sorry if this sounds unfriendly to your ears, but I'm frustrated that > even such a single thing has to be that hard. Castor is nice with > handling XML, but it seems to lose on about every other scale of project > quality. That is a strong statement, indeed. And it depends on where you look at for comparison. E.g. Spring has been 'injected' some multi-million dollars. And it's probably a bit more sexy as a tool, etc. But no, I don't want to change your opinion. > The documentation is outdated and a mess of pointing to > different versions. Do you recognize that you are looking at release 1.3 RC1. And if you'd be looking at the majority of the remaining open issues for 1.3 GA, you'd come to see that there's a few tasks related to cleaning up and improving documentation. > Things that are documented don't work or work > another way. Please try not to generalize. As simple as that. And remember: this is open source. I am more than happy to accept a monthly check of e.g. US$ 4.000,- and you'll get me spending 20 hours a week on documentation only (where required). But with the 10 to 15 hours I contribute to the project per week UNPAID, this is not an option to me, as I'd rather add functionality, improve build, fix bugs, etc. If you (or anybody else) is not willing to pay cash for being serviced commercially-grade, how about .. contributing some of your time and submit some patches. This is - sorry to repeat myself here - OPEN source. Feel like making a difference ? Why not do it ? Let me tell you one more thing. Google has been paying about 1.000 students as part of the recent Google summer of code. They asked us (mentors) to join them last week, coming up for accommodation and travel. Why ? Because they want us to give feedback, improve the program again, like they did for three years now. That's what I call dedication. And we as a project has students now for three years, helping us (existing committers) to make the product better, etc. And it does take a lot of our time to mentor these students, bring them up to speed. But in the end, they contribute, sometimes even stay put and join us as new committers. Guess what ? I love that (Thanks, Leslie). > There's inconsistent style in the doc everywhere. Let me tell you something. In the last 30 days or so before the RC1 release, I have personally spent about 5 to 7 days on converting all HTML documentation for XML and the XML code generator to DocBook. And guess what: I am not being paid for this. And I really don't want to be reconsidering my personal drive for this. > Everything seems unorganized. It doesn't build out of the box, It does for me, and our build servers show that it has been doing so for weeks. In other words, if you want us to help with your persona problem, we are more than willing. But I'd rather not take a beating in the public first. > even following your suggestion. So.. I'm kind of lost here. > > Sorry guys. I'm obviously too dumb for you. Not really. Simply start re-reading from the top, and I am sure we'll get you there. ENOUGH said ..... Werner > > -Martin > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, please visit: > > http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, please visit: http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
