Pascal Van Hecke wrote: > Please let me reiterate some thoughts: > > - I did not want to CRITICISE the people working on > the project, because no one ever has the right to > criticise VOLUNTEERS who are DONATING time and effort > - however volunteers need FEEDBACK > - I did want to give some feedback on the experience a > midgard newbie goes through, being frustrated with the > way information is available now: in order to be able > to install the thing, you practically have to have > read through hundreds of mails for months to collect > the pieces of information that make up the difference > with the previous version
Understood. But feedback can be given in various ways. Using "I am frustrated" as an intro is not likely to come across as positive feedback. > the faq is a very good thing, thanks for all that! > But I still think that it will remain difficult to > keep up with the information flow in the mailing list. > The problem with the mailing list is that is far too > unstructured to extract information from it > afterwards, afterwards meaning: if you do not follow > it daily. (And if you DO follow it daily, you simply > do not have time left to AND work on the documentation > AND proceed with midgard development...). Agreed. > Furthermore, it turns out that very few people keep > being motivated for this editorial work, eternally > having to catch up with the far more exciting > development... So I' m afraid that we 'll have to > find other means to avoid users asking the same > questions over and over again and developers having to > spend too much time on support. That used to be the case... but right now we're not adding new functionality, so in that area we're in a stable period. We're fixing things and thinking about architecture. > The advantage for us is that answering a question and > making that answer available for reference afterwards > is ONE effort, there is no need for a poor soul doing > copy-and paste work in a faq, that is, if the Wiki is > used with discipline. [good explanation of wikis and how to use them] That does sound useful, but I would personally hardly use them. I rely on mail, and I don't see myself perusing a wiki to see what needs answering. Am I missing something fundamental about wikis, or is there something coupling the list and the wiki? > A problem with the current version of phpWiki is that > it does not support simple authentication yet (not in > order to be able to restrict people, but to make > changes better traceable). There are also some > administration issues, such as the difficulty renaming > pages, and finding unlinked pages. In order to use it > the same way as a discussion list, you simply go to > http://wwwdev.itforum.be/phpwiki/index.php?RecentChanges, > a bit the same way you read a discussion list using > web mail. I can't use webmail from here. > I really feel we should give it a try and abandon the > mailinglist for a Wiki. The people on the mailinglist > are practically all techies who should not have > difficulties mastering this new medium, but I think > the problem we have now is that I'm not sure this > PhpWiki 1.2 is the right solution at this moment. So > I'm anxiously waiting for your feedback, Unless there's an alternative mode of access through mail or nntp there are technical issues[0] that will prevent me from using a web-only solution. If there's a workaround I'm all ears. Emile [0] which I can't/won't discuss here. If you need infor to get me a workaround, contact me. I can't address general curiousity on this matter, sorry. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
