On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:18:18 -0600, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think a lot of people are making a mistake by making more out of > Shale than it is. Shale is a proposal and a prototype. It is here > now for people to use it and see what they thing of it. It is taking > the opportunity to re-imagine Struts free of some of the backwards > compatibility baggage that Struts 1.x has. Shale is Java ServerFaces: "ViewController is an interface describing a JavaBean that is associated with a JavaServer Faces view (typically a JSP page)", cf. http://www.apache.org/~craigmcc/struts-shale/. Java ServerFaces or Shale and Struts are different and inherently incompatible visions, cf. the connection between Struts and JavaServer Faces in Hans Bergsten's book on the same. Is pointing this out or raising the issue a problem? The name "Struts" has great branding value as the advocates of Shale and Java ServerFaces clearly see. If you want to take that name and give it to something fundamentally and philosophically inconsistent, be my guest. You are right. People can continue to work on Struts after the name has been moved to an architecture which is inconsistent with Struts. Things get a little confusing, perhaps, but that can be done. But, saying that this is happening (1) is not to denigrate Shale or Java ServerFaces; (2) has nothing to do with the ASF open source process and what people can and cannot work on; (3) is not to support or to decry the process. Heck, maybe this is not right. Seems to me that discussion of what is happening and knowledge of the same is legitimate, isn't it? People can do what they want. There still is the need to be aware of what is happening in making such choices. No? Jack "You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~Native Proverb~ "Each man is good in His sight. It is not necessary for eagles to be crows." ~Hunkesni (Sitting Bull), Hunkpapa Sioux~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
