Frank W. Zammetti wrote: > Craig McClanahan wrote: > >> Feel free to continue using Struts, however, if that floats *your* boat. > > > It's not really as simple as that though, is it Craig? > > You have a great deal of sway, your opinion carries a lot of weight. > You have earned that without question. So by you making > proclamations, even if veiled proclamations, people are going to > listen and form a conclusion on what you are *really* telling them. > Their conclusion may be wrong, but it will have an impact on them none > the less. As someone else said, the easy (and I think obvious) > conclusion is that Struts is nearing an end, JSF is what we should be > doing. > > I think there is little question that you have taken every opportunity > to tell everyone that JSF is in fact "the future". There is no doubt > in my mind that you actually believe that. And I'm not about to say > you won't wind up being right! Time will tell. > > But, you do work for a company with a profit motive in JSF... How > could that NOT put some doubt in peoples' minds? Are we being lead > down a path that might not actually be the best technically, because > their is profit in it for someone? I don't know, and it worries me, > especially when one of the big proponents of said path is someone I > very much respect and listen to. But then there's the rub, right? Am > I making my decision based on a reasoned examination of the solution > being offered, or because I trust the person delivering the message? > > This is the problem with JSF at this juncture... It isn't just a > project released to the world that takes hold, as Struts was. JSF is > something sponsored and pushed as a standard by a company that is in > business to make money, and by a person who works for that company, > among others. There HAS to be some doubt there, doesn't there? > > Am I alone in this thinking? If so I'll be happy to shut up and just > see how it all goes, but I have to think I'm not the only one... > I'm with you on this. I have not seen JSF do anything radically better than Spring, struts or any of the other java web frameworks out there. All I have seen is a lot of hype driven mainly from people who work for the company who is making a buck on this idea. I'm not saying that JSF is bad, or good, or great, or terrible or anything. Are velocity templates better than JSP's? Variety is good, choices are good, but this whole JSF craze has been HYPED, and pushed, and sold, and overstated more than it has been allowed to be a choice. Let those who like white paint their walls white, let those who like blue paint their walls blue. At this point I'm starting to go anti JSF just because it didn't blow my sox off when I used it, it didn't deliver anything I hadn't already seen before, and it seems to produce the same end result of things that I've already made work using other tools. No, it didn't develop faster, no it isn't a revolutionary thing, and it has flaws like any other thing out there. When i have trouble with other frameworks in a certain area, I can choose very easily to use another technology, but with JSF, I feel a lot of NO DO IT THIS WAY. That is not what I want as a developer, that does not support the "open" model, and it is not what my company wants me to use. There you have it. Brandon
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