Ted Husted wrote:
On 3/14/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
but I to this day do not believe it was the motivation of the larger entities
involved.
True. If those "larger entities" had any say, we wouldn't be merging
with WebWork. If anyone wanted proof that we are making our decisions
based on community, rather than the agenda of a "larger entity", there
it is.
No argument there :)
This is where I do happen to disagree with you Ted. As I said earlier,
Struts has become something more to a great many people. Many
businesses rely on Struts. Many peoples' livelihoods depend on Struts.
I hope you would agree with those statements. Because of that, you
take on a greater responsibility than simply contributing.
No. The people you mention should take on the greater responsibility
of contributing to the project and doing what they can to make Apache
Struts a continued success.
I think here we have to agree to disagree. I see there being a
responsibility involved that you don't. It isn't like anyone can just
come along and contribute, contrary to what we might want people to
believe, because there is a barrier to entry, namely those already
involved. AND THAT IS FINE. In fact, it *has* to be that way because
the alternative is just opening up commit privileges to SVN to anyone
and everyone, and clearly *that* isn't a good idea :)
But, being part of that necessary barrier too is part of the
responsibility, at least as I view things.
Deciding what is best for other people is a job better left to the
"larger entities". Our role is to create the frameworks that we want
to use to build our own applications, and share the wealth, best we
can.
Agreed, 100%. It's *after* you've shared that wealth and that wealth
has turned into something bigger that I believe the responsibility comes
in to play. I'm sorry to hear you don't agree, but I never said it
wasn't a debatable point :)
Right now, this year, for me, that framework is Action2. But, who
knows, next year, I could be working on a JSF project. And, if I am,
I'll be glad to find a Struts Shale framework here, ready for me to
use.
Same here. Believe me, I *want* Shale to continue to develop. Same for
JSF. Same for Spring MVC, same for Wicket, etc. We can debate whether
Shale is in the right place or not, but to me, it's existence is in no
way questioned... it's a good thing!
-Ted.
Frank
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