Don't bother about him Bart. I said it and I will say it again, he is
a troll. I tried to have a constructive discussion with him several
times. It always ends up in personal attacks (go read some books and
come back...) but he is the one never backing up his claims. I am all
for freedom of speech and CONSRUCTIVE CRITICISM but I think people
have been REALLY tolerant with him. I can't count how many times he
bashed Craig freely or any other commiters. It sounds like jalousy to
me. Dakota, this list is owned by Apache and you are a guess here. It
is not an absolute right.

Honestly, I begin to think Shale should move to another place because
the amount of noise on this list is terrible. I don't write a lot on
this list but I do read it a lot and this noise is getting really out
of control. Thank to 2 guys who have decided Apache doesn't fit their
point of view and therefore anybody who don't think the same way  are
wrong . Here's a clue : you can take the code, evolve it and start
your own community then quite BUGGING US with your childish fights
since you will be so successful.

By the way, for those who may believe those guys, Struts 1.x didn't
not evolve as fast as WebWork for one reason : API Backward
compatibilit, something very important to frameworks. This is one of
the reason this community is so huge. Is it that hard to understand ?
For instance, it has been well known since a long time that sending an
HttpServletRequest's instance to actions was a bad idea and a neutral
context object should have been used instead but it hasn't been
changed to keep the API consistant. Hence the need for a version 2.0.
WebWork technically already gots it right but always lacked (from what
I heard) a big user community, something Struts has always enjoyed
because of its commitment to backward compatibility. So both
frameworks win in this merge especially given the strong competition
coming from components-oriented frameworks. Technical excellence is
not the only success factor. Only idealists think this way.

On 3/30/06, Bart Busschots <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dakota Jack wrote:
>
> >Dion, you are obviously really green.  Please read a bit and then come
> >back.  Do you have any idea about architecture and design and testing
> >issues?
> >
> >
> >
> This is an example of the kind of post this list could do without. The
> above post basically boils down to:
>
> "you disagree with me so you must be uneducated, go read up some and
> then come talk with the big boys"
>
> I'm sorry but that is just insulting and most un-helpful. Jack, please
> explain your point of view so us mere
> mortals can actually learn something rather than being all smug and
> superior on people who dissagree with
> you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bart.
>
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