Sandor

I think that many of the apps you describe are "out
there", but because they are built for commercial
(or, at least, internal/private) purposes, they are
not available to students to examine.

I agree this a pity - the potential of Cocoon is quite
vast (esp. with the new flow and forms) - but trying
to demonstrate that to "newbies" is a challenge!

Derek

PS Perhaps some of the things you mention could 
be course projects ?!  (that way you could build-up
your own set of "convincing applications. ")

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004/06/24 11:36:33 AM >>>
Bertrand,

Ah merci pour votre response! Oh, pardonne-moi, my French _is_ rusty 
after several years of inactivity :(

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Le 23 juin 04, � 17:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a �crit :
> 
>> ...You're right. My feeling is slightly different though.
>> Context: I'm trying to tame Cocoon to make it useful for
>> some lab exercises for our students...
> 
> You're right that web applications quickly get more complicated, but 
> have you looked at the "tour" block? I've used this tutorial 
> successfully in half-day workshops to show the big picture of Cocoon to 
> java programmers and they've been happy: I think it shows which 
> functionality and blocks are more important and which ones one can just 
> leave for later, just keeping in mind that they exist.

I also need some convincing applications. Not just interesting from the 
technical perspective - like many Cocoon demos - but from a real-world 
angle. Bridge the gap between techies and the rest. Think modelling your 
business proces in XML. Simulate a small multichannel publishing firm. 
Demonstrate how Cocoon delivers special offers from your local store as 
a brochure to your mailbox (pdf), the web (html) and your cellphone.
Use Cocoon to personalize course materials.




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