Hi :) It is great to get an answer. It's only a first response so don't assume that is "written in stone". There are a lot of devs and a lot of work to be done so things are changing all the time in a good way :)
Good first responses are usually give a quick work-around or indicate the level of complexity, or how long it might take, or to gather more information. Michael's initial response gives 2 work-arounds 1. using links to get the functionality fast. It's not the long-term answer. 2. Another option for corporates might be to get one of their programmers onto it, depending on urgency. You are not a corporate and not a programmer yourself so ignore this one. Regards from Tom :) ________________________________ From: John B <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 20 June, 2011 18:50:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs Dear Roland, Tom & Alex Wow! - I actually just received a reply (Below) from the bug site:- there was me thinking all that was required was hidden extra code at the top of every page "Am I a tabbed page or not?" if so "what is my name", "do I belong to a group", "My tab is green" - simples I am not a programmer! But, I am more than delighted to get a response from such a source, even though, not the hopeful one I would have wished for. Its a bit like:- If you need BOLD, just put it through the printer twice I guess Roland, from you comments you must have received a similar response to your bug reports? So - Any Volunteers? Regards John B >>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38401 --- Comment #1 from Michael Meeks<[email protected]> 2011-06-20 07:36:10 PDT --- IMHO implementing the tab feature would take quite some work here, instead it might be good to insert a set of links in the document at the top to allow quick jumping to the various sections; But of course, this is all work. Lets see if some volunteer jumps in to do it - otherwise if you pay someone to do the work, you can have it done as you like I guess. >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 20/06/11 01:40, Roland Hughes a écrit : Hi Roland, > > It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later > > and see what a word processor was supposed to be. > > Shame that such good functionality was left by the wayside by IBM...coz it was damned handy !! Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 17/06/2011 19:37, Roland Hughes wrote: > Dear John, > > It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was > finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file > specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things > added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it > has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate "sub > documents" which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from > the parent/enclosing document. Each "subdocument" has its own flags to > support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. > > Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu > item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the > file specification. > > Between the above programming change and the tabbed document > specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete > support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document > file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the > major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market > place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one > little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for > auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely > portable. > > First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. > Then we have to make documents 100% portable. > Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. > > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: > >> Dear Roland >> >> My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of >> having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads >> each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the >> only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do >> I know!). >> >> Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this >> should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a >> bloat on. >> >> My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals >> around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2].... >> >> Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the >> ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? >> >> Calling all bolt on programmers! >> >> regards >> >> John >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>- >> >> >> >> On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote: >>> Dear John, >>> >>> uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening!<Grin> >>> >>> Actually, the "they" I refer to is every other word processor on the >>> face of the planet. >>> >>> I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control >>> architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing >>> project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and >>> clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and >>> put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which >>> didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. >>> >>> I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. >>> I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work >>> for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the >>> next OS/machine upgrade. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Roland >>>> >>>> It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on "Cold Guinness" where the barman >>>> says "your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for >>>> Cold Guinness". >>>> >>>> I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 >>>> files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside >>>> were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - i thought "of >>>> course", it was like a Eureka moment. >>>> >>>> Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 >>>> months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a >>>> client called "Fred Bloggs" you don't have to think up new file names >>>> each time you send a new letter such a >>>> "fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office". >>>> >>>> I am assuming the "they" you refer to, is IBM >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> John B >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>- >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: >>>>> If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs >>>>> on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement >>>>> WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken approach of >>>>> having >>>>>each document as a tab. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know >>>>>> if I get a response. >>>>>> >>>>>> I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the >>>>>> most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned >>>>>> its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit "not >>>>>> compatible", OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge >>>>>> in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting >>>>>> is a bit hit and miss. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [wish-list] >>>>>> >>>>>> /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use >>>>>> Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because >>>>>> of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is >>>>>> where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and >>>>>> IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab >>>>>> documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. >>>>>> >>>>>> One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). >>>>>> >>>>>> The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the >>>>>> documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, >>>>>> +2010 ..... +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the >>>>>> group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years >>>>>> correspondence or headings or whatever etc). >>>>>> >>>>>> Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 >>>>>> is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the >>>>>> whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date >>>>>> massively improves. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the "+" means that >>>>>> it is a "group tab" and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more >>>>>> inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle >>>>>> multi documents. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have group tabs that go like this "+1990's"> "+1991"> "Contracts"> >>>>>> (then a single tab "12/03/91" >>>>>> >>>>>> Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it >>>>>> as a separate item. You can copy& paste, insert, you can move a tab, >>>>>> (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 >>>>>> - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an >>>>>> unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. >>>>>> >>>>>> Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time >>>>>> becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) >>>>>> >>>>>> I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. >>>>>> Please consider this >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> John Brassington >>>>>> / >>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: >>>>>>> Hi :) >>>>>>> This guide might help? >>>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think i would post as a normal bug but put "" at the start of the >>>>>>> subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) >>>>>>> Regards from >>>>>>> Tom :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: John B<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 >>>>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] >>>>>>> In case of problems unsubscribing, write to >>>>[email protected] >>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>>>deleted >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>> Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: >>>>>>> 06/09/11 >>>>>>>19:34:00 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] >>>>>> In case of problems unsubscribing, write to >>>[email protected] >>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>>deleted >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3702 - Release Date: 06/13/11 >>>>>19:34:00 >>>>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3702 - Release Date: 06/13/11 >>>19:34:00 >>> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3702 - Release Date: 06/13/11 >19:34:00 > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] In case of problems unsubscribing, write to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] In case of problems unsubscribing, write to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
