I have not received any response (that I know of) from the bug site regarding WordPro tabs.
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 18:50 +0100, John B wrote: > Dear Roland, Tom & Alex > > Wow! - I actually just received a reply (Below) from the bug site:- > there was me thinking all that was required was hidden extra code at the > top of every page "Am I a tabbed page or not?" if so "what is my name", > "do I belong to a group", "My tab is green" - simples > > I am not a programmer! > > But, I am more than delighted to get a response from such a source, even > though, not the hopeful one I would have wished for. > > Its a bit like:- If you need BOLD, just put it through the printer twice > > I guess Roland, from you comments you must have received a similar > response to your bug reports? > > So - Any Volunteers? > > Regards > > > John B > > >>>> > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38401 > > --- Comment #1 from Michael Meeks<[email protected]> 2011-06-20 > 07:36:10 PDT --- > IMHO implementing the tab feature would take quite some work here, instead it > might be good to insert a set of links in the document at the top to allow > quick jumping to the various sections; > > But of course, this is all work. Lets see if some volunteer jumps in to do it > - > otherwise if you pay someone to do the work, you can have it done as you like > I > guess. > > >>>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Le 20/06/11 01:40, Roland Hughes a écrit : > > Hi Roland, > > > > > It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later > > > and see what a word processor was supposed to be. > > > > Shame that such good functionality was left by the wayside by IBM...coz > it was damned handy !! > > Alex > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On 17/06/2011 19:37, Roland Hughes wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was > > finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file > > specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things > > added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it > > has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate "sub > > documents" which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from > > the parent/enclosing document. Each "subdocument" has its own flags to > > support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. > > > > Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu > > item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the > > file specification. > > > > Between the above programming change and the tabbed document > > specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete > > support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document > > file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the > > major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market > > place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one > > little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for > > auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely > > portable. > > > > First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. > > Then we have to make documents 100% portable. > > Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: > > > >> Dear Roland > >> > >> My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of > >> having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads > >> each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the > >> only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do > >> I know!). > >> > >> Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this > >> should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a > >> bloat on. > >> > >> My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals > >> around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2].... > >> > >> Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the > >> ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? > >> > >> Calling all bolt on programmers! > >> > >> regards > >> > >> John > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> On 17/06/2011 16:43, Roland Hughes wrote: > >>> Dear John, > >>> > >>> uh-oh...that sounds like an ominous opening!<Grin> > >>> > >>> Actually, the "they" I refer to is every other word processor on the > >>> face of the planet. > >>> > >>> I never abused/relied on the tab system as a document control > >>> architecture. I used it to segregate out the portions of a writing > >>> project. Each chapter had its own tab, various tabs had notes and > >>> clippings from other sources, etc. You could re-arrange the tabs and > >>> put together a perfect book by tagging which tabs printed and which > >>> didn't. It was a mind blowing architecture. > >>> > >>> I don't have problems finding client documents which are 20 years old. > >>> I create a directory for each client. If I don't do any billable work > >>> for that client in 6 years, I simply delete the directory during the > >>> next OS/machine upgrade. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:17 +0100, John B wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear Roland > >>>> > >>>> It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on "Cold Guinness" where the barman > >>>> says "your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for > >>>> Cold Guinness". > >>>> > >>>> I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 > >>>> files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside > >>>> were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - i thought "of > >>>> course", it was like a Eureka moment. > >>>> > >>>> Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 > >>>> months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a > >>>> client called "Fred Bloggs" you don't have to think up new file names > >>>> each time you send a new letter such a > >>>> "fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office". > >>>> > >>>> I am assuming the "they" you refer to, is IBM > >>>> > >>>> thanks > >>>> > >>>> John B > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: > >>>>> If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs > >>>>> on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement > >>>>> WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken approach of > >>>>> having each document as a tab. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Tom > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know > >>>>>> if I get a response. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the > >>>>>> most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned > >>>>>> its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit "not > >>>>>> compatible", OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge > >>>>>> in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting > >>>>>> is a bit hit and miss. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [wish-list] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use > >>>>>> Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because > >>>>>> of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is > >>>>>> where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and > >>>>>> IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these > >>>>>> folk. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab > >>>>>> documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the > >>>>>> documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years > >>>>>> +2011, > >>>>>> +2010 ..... +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the > >>>>>> group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that > >>>>>> years > >>>>>> correspondence or headings or whatever etc). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say > >>>>>> 2000 > >>>>>> is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the > >>>>>> whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current > >>>>>> date > >>>>>> massively improves. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the "+" means > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> it is a "group tab" and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe > >>>>>> more > >>>>>> inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle > >>>>>> multi documents. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have group tabs that go like this "+1990's"> "+1991"> > >>>>>> "Contracts"> > >>>>>> (then a single tab "12/03/91" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it > >>>>>> as a separate item. You can copy& paste, insert, you can move a tab, > >>>>>> (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 > >>>>>> - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an > >>>>>> unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time > >>>>>> becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. > >>>>>> Please consider this > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John Brassington > >>>>>> / > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi :) > >>>>>>> This guide might help? > >>>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think i would post as a normal bug but put "" at the start of the > >>>>>>> subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) > >>>>>>> Regards from > >>>>>>> Tom :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>> From: John B<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 > >>>>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> John B > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> In case of problems unsubscribing, write to > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > >>>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > >>>>>>> be deleted > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>>>> Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: > >>>>>>> 06/09/11 19:34:00 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > >>>>>> In case of problems unsubscribing, write to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > >>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >>>>>> deleted > >>>>> > >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>> Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3702 - Release Date: > >>>>> 06/13/11 19:34:00 > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>> Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3702 - Release Date: 06/13/11 > >>> 19:34:00 > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3702 - Release Date: 06/13/11 > > 19:34:00 > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > In case of problems unsubscribing, write to [email protected] > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] In case of problems unsubscribing, write to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
