I'm grateful for the feedback, and I will definitely post this to the Bugzilla system. However, the Bugzilla system contains a warning about spam being generated from it, since addresses are revealed in the open. For this reason, I've been engaging in creating a spam-only email address, and I'm not quite finished with the process. I've been busy and haven't had time to respond to the other comments or to try out opml yet.
When I submit this as a bug, I'll include some of the comments as an addendum. Not all of the comments would be relevant in a feature request, but some might be. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:42 AM, krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <ml-node+s969070n4077647...@n3.nabble.com> wrote: > > I Know that the DEVs do not have much time to read these posts, but I > hoped that some poeple on this list might know enough about the Macros > to know if it was possible. > > Since I am not on the DEVs list, maybe someone can forward the original > posting to their list???? > > I did not know a feature request was to go onto the BUGS tracking > system. I thought it was just for posting bugs that crop up in a version. > > On 10/10/2013 07:20 PM, Joel Madero wrote: > > > Just a friendly reminder that devs rarely track this mailing list. If > > you have a feature request it belongs on our bug tracker > > (bugs.freedesktop.org) else it will never get implemented. > > > > > > Best, > > Joel > > > > On 10/10/2013 03:50 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > >> I am not a Macro person, but I wonder how much of this can be done with > >> Macros. > >> > >> I know one book writer that does a great deal of his work through > macros > >> he created over the years. He could not find any word processor > package > >> that did what he wanted so he learned to write macros. First with Star > >> Office, then OOo, and now using LO on his Linux system. I do not > >> remember all of the things he wrote about in his "author's notes" > before > >> he got into his e-newsletter, but one time he did talk about all of the > >> things he needed to be done and went out to find a package that could > do > >> it through the macros. The last "author's notes" was about getting OOo > >> running on a new Linux system. That was when it was in the late 1.x > >> stage or early 2.x one. Just about 2 years ago, I found out he > switched > >> to LO. He no longer writes/co-writes 4 to 6 books a year, but he still > >> does a few, now that he is in his late 70's. > >> > >> So > >> Those who are really good at writing Macros, how much of the info below > >> can be taken care of through some type of macros? > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/10/2013 06:09 PM, CougarB wrote: > >>> When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very > >>> successful > >>> using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word > >>> Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of > outliner > >>> functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the > >>> functionality of PCOutline. > >>> > >>> I used outlining as my main method of work when a full-time > >>> technical writer > >>> in the 90s (e.g., Fujitsu Software in San Jose). While working for a > >>> java > >>> house, I was so influenced by the negative developer reactions to > >>> MS, that > >>> I've been wishing to move to OpenOffice or LibraOffice ever since > >>> they came > >>> along. But you don't have the functionality that I need, and > >>> furthermore, > >>> the discussions of outlining on this forum seem to miss the whole > >>> point, > >>> from my point of view. > >>> > >>> I'm a very motivated wannabe LibraOffice user who currently can't > >>> make the > >>> switch, because although I'm retired and writing fiction, the power > >>> of an > >>> outliner for writing in all genres is something I can't live without. > >>> > >>> So my reasons are complex--sorry about that--but tl:dr will not > >>> allow you to > >>> understand them. Please take the time. I really want to quit Microsoft > >>> Office forever and ever and ever. Thanx. > >>> > >>> The first functionality I need might seem mickey mouse, but it's the > >>> foundation for everything else. This is that in Word's outliner view, > >>> there's a button in front of every paragraph that I can drag and > >>> drop up and > >>> down. It's like cut and paste, but a lot faster. Combined with other > >>> features, it's extremely powerful. > >>> > >>> The second functionality I need is to be able to collapse things. In > an > >>> article of 25 paragraphs, I can hide every line except the first > >>> line of the > >>> paragraph, thus allowing me to see the entire article of 25 > >>> paragraphs on > >>> the screen at the same time. This allows me to completely rearrange > the > >>> entire article by drop and drag. > >>> > >>> For editing a single sentence or paragraph, I insert a return between > >>> sentences, phrases, and even words, drop and drag these elements > >>> into a new > >>> order, and delete the returns. Voila! A much better constructed > >>> paragraph or > >>> sentence in a snap. > >>> > >>> The third functionality is to collapse things within headers. For > >>> instance, > >>> if I've interviewed a dozen people for an article or if I've > >>> brainstormed 5 > >>> pages of random ideas for a blog or a chapter in a novel, I create > >>> headers > >>> for different topics and then drag and drop paragraphs, quotes, > >>> ideas, etc > >>> into the headers or buckets I've created. When one header becomes > >>> too full > >>> and fills too much of the screen, I collapse it, so that it hides > >>> all the > >>> paragraphs already there, which cleans up the screen. When I'm done > >>> with > >>> this step, I have half a dozen headers, under which are many different > >>> ideas, all of which are completely hidden. > >>> > >>> So I drag and drop my half a dozen headers into the correct order. > >>> Then I > >>> open the first main header and create a bunch of subheaders. Once > >>> this is > >>> done, I reorganize all of the points in this first section into > >>> subsections > >>> or sub-buckets, collapsing them all as needed until everything is > >>> organized > >>> into a number of different subheaders. At this point, I can > >>> rearrange all of > >>> these subheaders into the best order that they belong in. I can even > >>> drag a > >>> subheader into a different main heading if I choose, where it will > >>> remain as > >>> a separate section. > >>> > >>> I can repeat this process as many levels as I wish. This feature in > >>> MS Word > >>> is fractal to nine levels. From a chaotic mixture of confusion emerges > >>> order, insight, and wisdom--in one single step. > >>> > >>> As a technical writer, I used to sit in a brainstorming meetings, > >>> write down > >>> every developer idea as fast as I could (including those I didn't > >>> understand > >>> at all), type it all sequentially, and then very quickly organize > >>> all of the > >>> ideas into a coherent whole. The developers thought I actually knew > >>> how to > >>> program. (Mwah-hah-hah!) > >>> > >>> I could never have done that with LibreOffice as it's now configured > or > >>> OpenOffice, either. Without my Word outliner, I would have been a > >>> shitty > >>> technical writer, and I would never have been able to write the > >>> developer > >>> guides I wrote. > >>> > >>> As a creative writer today, I currently have a dozen projects that are > >>> percolating, as well as one major project that I'm focusing on. I just > >>> brainstorm for anything that comes up, drag the ideas into the proper > >>> buckets, and I never lose anything of value. (Yes, the word "never" is > >>> absolutely accurate.) > >>> > >>> It's like having a Super Power that's available to everyone, but no > one > >>> knows how to get it. Currently, this Super Power is only available > >>> in MS > >>> Word. Please make it possible for me to migrate to LibreOffice without > >>> losing my Super Powers. And please make these Super Powers available > >>> to the > >>> world. Doing so could cause the entire planet to evolve into better > >>> writers. > >>> You can help eliminate crappy writing! > >>> > >>> Until you do this, LibreOffice is like Kryptonite to me. I can't > >>> come near > >>> it, even though I truly want to. > >>> > >>> I beg of you: Please help poor little Cougar quit his addiction to > >>> Micro$oft! (Yeah, I know. Outliners do not eliminate the scourge of > >>> mixed > >>> metaphors.) > >>> > >>> For those of you who made it this far, thanx for listening. > >>> Cougar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> View this message in context: > >>> > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564.html > >>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden > email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4077647&i=0> > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077647.html > To unsubscribe from Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a > Deal Breaker for Me, click > here<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=4077564&code=Y291Z2FyLmJAZ21haWwuY29tfDQwNzc1NjR8LTExODk2NjEyNzI=> > . > NAML<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077801.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
