Macros are not the answer. Even with the best, most focused macros, I would not be able to reduce the amount of time and the number of clicks sufficiently to equal the efficiency of the Word outliner. That's dreaming. Here's a case in point, and in the PS after my signature, I'm providing a second case.
I just got an email from someone who took notes at the same meeting as me. However, she brainstormed an entirely new direction, which was our agreement. Combining the two emails and breaking up every paragraph into separate points yielded 35 paragraphs of between 1 and 4 lines, totaling 78 lines, which is too much to display on a single page, especially with spaces between paragraphs. However with Word, with one click, I collapsed all the paragraphs into single lines--which is like code folding. I created five heading buttons, which required five returns and one ctrl-arrow. (Plus typing the titles.) Then I began dragging the points up into the headers. This required one click to capture the paragraph and a mouse move and release to drop. Periodically, I had to collapse the five headers so that all of the points under each one were hidden. Doing this literally took two clicks and no scrolling. I did this three times. The first edit was done after 41 clicks (35 paragraphs + 6 clicks to collapse header sections). However, once all of the points were distributed in the five headers, I had to repeat the process with a header that had eighteen points in it. By the time I was done, I had clicked 22 more times, for a total of 63 clicks, and no delay between them. It was extremely fast and efficient, though I wasn't timing it and can't tell you how long it took. Using the native methods in LibraOffice, I would have to click three times to highlight each paragraph and then I could have sometimes dragged and dropped it. I suspect that most of the time, I would have had to right click and left click to cut it, navigate with one more click using the Navigator, click to establish an insertion point, and right click and left click to paste it, and then navigate to the raw notes with one more click. This would take 4 to 10 clicks, depending whether or not navigation was necessary or whether it could be dragged and dropped. If two thirds of the moves required navigation (420 clicks), which is reasonable for this project, the entire thing would would have required approximately 492 clicks to accomplish what I accomplished with 63 clicks. In addition, it would have taken considerably longer, since my method doesn't require any navigation at all. (If only half the moves required navigation, it would still cost me 441 clicks.) LibreOffice would quickly give me carpal tunnel syndrome, because I do this kind of work constantly. It would also literally cut my efficiency in half, and because I would be spending so much more time and energy on the mechanics, I would be tired sooner and less clear in my delivery. This is why I can't switch from Word to LibreOffice. Since I prefer to get away from M$, an integrated outliner in LO is vital to what I want. But I won't make the switch when it will hurt my health, my time, my projects, and my goals. Cougar PS. I told you in my original post that I used to take notes as a senior technical writer in developer brainstorm meetings. It was not uncommon for my shorthand notes to fill many pages, and when I typed them, a regular length brainstorming meeting probably created 500 to 700 lines of notes. With a document of that size, literally all of it would require using the Navigator to move around the different points to distribute the notes into their correct buckets. With my method, the organization of these points into categories would probably have taken at least 1000 clicks, counting the subcategorization. However, using LO would require at least 10,000 clicks (probably many more) and would extend the time required to organize the notes into something coherent by a huge amount of time. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM, toki.kantoor [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <ml-node+s969070n4077825...@n3.nabble.com> wrote: > On 10/10/2013 10:50 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > > > I am not a Macro person, but I wonder how much of this can be done with > Macros. > > This is where it would have been extremely useful to have access to > source code for OOo extensions. > > Everything requested was not only doable, but done by people using OOo > 2.x, and the appropriate extensions. Those extensions were, naturally > enough, broken in OOo 3.x. > > Use Running Headers, configure Outline Numbering appropriately, and use > Navigator to move the paragraphs around, will take care of the first > request. > > I've forgotten what the name of the extension that provided the > functionality described in the second and third request. :( > Adroit use of Navigator almost suffices for that functionality. > > Navigator does have its annoyances, chief of which is collapsing when > switching between different objects within the document. > > jonathon > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden > email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4077825&i=0> > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077825.html > To unsubscribe from Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a > Deal Breaker for Me, click > here<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=4077564&code=Y291Z2FyLmJAZ21haWwuY29tfDQwNzc1NjR8LTExODk2NjEyNzI=> > . > NAML<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077827.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted