I agree with your method ... & congratulate you on obviously being a
bright teacher.
Now ...
I'm curiously wondering how using 'styles' differs from the
'select all' then changing the font, or whatever;
that method takes me mere seconds as well ;-)
Also, I'm curiously wondering what method(s) your students would be
using which would take them so long ???
From: Virgil Arrington <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tab defaults change when pasting into
Writer from some other applications
To: [email protected]
Tim,
I'm way too late in this thread to be helpful as I have been absent for
several months (for some reason the list stopped recognizing my email
address, so I recently resubscribed with a different address).
That said, I can relate to what I perceive to be your issues. I do a lot of
Bible study work with LO and eSword and Bibletime as well as Bible.org. I
always run into problems when I copy and paste quotes from one of these
sources to LO.
As I look at your document (an interesting study indeed, btw -- love the
reference to Origen), I see a lot of formatting inconsistency going on.
Font changes, smartquotes here, dumbquotes there, etc. This is the result
of pasting formatted text from one source into LO. Now you may not care
about this as I'm sure these are probably private notes, not necessarily
for dissemination, but...
In my experience with extra-LO sources such as eSword, etc., I've come to
always paste using Paste-Special/Unformatted text. That way, I can then
quickly apply an appropriate paragraph style to the text and all is well.
Virgil
btw., Ironically, as I'm typing this, I'm sitting in my Law Office
Technology class while my students are taking a test on the use of
paragraph styles. After teaching this class for five semesters, I've
finally found an approach that works. I think Tom suggested it. I give them
an unformatted document and ask them to format it using any method they
understand. They usually take 30 to 45 minutes and end up with a mess. I
then demonstrate reformatting the document with styles and I'm done in
about 3 minutes and the document formatting is consistent and useful. I
then ask, "If your client was paying $200 an hour to have a legal document
prepared and formatted, who would they rather pay, me or you?"
On 10/31/2014 9:57 AM, Tim Deaton wrote:
> Sorry for the delay in responding. Too many other things going on.
>
> -- Tim
> ===========================
>
> On 10/26/2014 4:56 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
>
>> At 16:25 26/10/2014 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/2014 02:13 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 13:51 26/10/2014 -0400, Tim Deaton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm currently running LO v4.2.6.3 on Windows 7, 64-bit, SP1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Writer primarily to create notes for Bible study lessons. In
>>>>> that process, I often copy text into Writer from other programs (most
>>>>> likely e-Sword and TheWord (two free Bible software programs which, I
>>>>> think, both use the SQLite open-source database program). The template I
>>>>> use for this has the default tab-stop setting (Tools|Options|LO
>>>>> Writer|General) set to 0.25 inch.
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem is that when copying text passages from those (and perhaps
>>>>> other) programs into LO, that default tab-stop gets reset to 0.5 inch, so
>>>>> that I have to go into the Options to change it back after each
>>>>> copy/paste. I don't know when exactly this behavior started, but I do
>>>>> know
>>>>> this resetting did not happen when I was using OOo and then LO 3.x. It
>>>>> either started with LO 4.0 or 4.1.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why you would want to use default tab stops at all. They
>>>> are so close that you often need to add multiple consecutive tab
>>>> characters, and this is surely a recipe for your documents being fragile
>>>> and not robust to changes of font, paper size, printer, platform, and so
>>>> on? Tab stops are a property of paragraph styles. Why not set up a
>>>> paragraph style with just the tab stops you actually need and then apply
>>>> this style to the text (very easily done) immediately after pasting
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about using paste special the "Unformatted text" option after
>>> creating the paragraph style you want?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure how that helps. In any case, the questioner originally said
>> he wanted to retain elements of formatting in the copied text.
>>
>> Brian Barker
>>
>> Thanks for your comments, and your patience.
>
> The reason for the .25" tab stops (about 6mm) is that in these documents I
> do a lot of outline-type indenting, but without the outline numbering.
> Also, the pasted-in scripture sections use .25" hanging indents in one of
> the source programs, and I like to keep that. It's NOT for tabbed spaces
> in the middle of a line.
>
> When I started using OOo for this, I set up a template just for these
> documents, and brought that over to LO when I switched. The .25" default
> tab stops are part of that template. Given its age, I doubt I used styles
> then, but I really don't remember. I just know that the default setting
> used to not be bothered by the stuff I paste in from eSword and TheWord,
> but now it is.
>
> Here's a link to a recent document:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50459876/ss20141026.Heb8.odt
> (I wanted to include this on my original post, but computer problems -
> part of the "too many other things" above - prevented that.)
>
> - Tim D.
>
>
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