Yes, Tom, you hit nearly all of the problems.
Some typical "mistakes."
- using the <Tab> key to indent the first line of a paragraph... or
worse yet, hitting the <Spacebar> five times. Often, the typist will
forget to indent a paragraph that should be indented.
- creating white space between paragraphs by hitting the <Enter> key (a
la typewriter). This messes up the "keep with next paragraph" setting on
heading paragraphs.
- yes, typing numbers and letters for outlined paragraphs or numbered
headings.
- manually typing a table of contents.
- centering a Title or Heading by hitting the <Tab> key several times
until it looks centered.
Virgil
On 11/1/2014 12:26 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
"Select All" and just changing the font only does the 1 thing and it
does it to everything.
My guess is that the students go through the document applying
different bits of formatting as they go along. Then they have trouble
being consistent. Bullets and numbering is probably a bit more
sophisticated in legal documents so if they are re-doing those or
<shudders /> typing them in directly each time it could be
troublesome. Inconsistent indents and messing with the ruler at the
top can quickly make a right mess of things too.
It might be fun to hear about specific cases and/or things that almost
all of them do.
Regards from
Tom :)
On 1 November 2014 13:33, anne-ology <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I agree with your method ... & congratulate you on
obviously being a
bright teacher.
Now ...
I'm curiously wondering how using 'styles' differs from the
'select all' then changing the font, or whatever;
that method takes me mere seconds as well ;-)
Also, I'm curiously wondering what method(s) your students
would be
using which would take them so long ???
From: Virgil Arrington <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tab defaults change when pasting into
Writer from some other applications
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Tim,
I'm way too late in this thread to be helpful as I have been
absent for
several months (for some reason the list stopped recognizing my email
address, so I recently resubscribed with a different address).
That said, I can relate to what I perceive to be your issues. I do
a lot of
Bible study work with LO and eSword and Bibletime as well as
Bible.org. I
always run into problems when I copy and paste quotes from one of
these
sources to LO.
As I look at your document (an interesting study indeed, btw --
love the
reference to Origen), I see a lot of formatting inconsistency
going on.
Font changes, smartquotes here, dumbquotes there, etc. This is the
result
of pasting formatted text from one source into LO. Now you may not
care
about this as I'm sure these are probably private notes, not
necessarily
for dissemination, but...
In my experience with extra-LO sources such as eSword, etc., I've
come to
always paste using Paste-Special/Unformatted text. That way, I can
then
quickly apply an appropriate paragraph style to the text and all
is well.
Virgil
btw., Ironically, as I'm typing this, I'm sitting in my Law Office
Technology class while my students are taking a test on the use of
paragraph styles. After teaching this class for five semesters, I've
finally found an approach that works. I think Tom suggested it. I
give them
an unformatted document and ask them to format it using any method
they
understand. They usually take 30 to 45 minutes and end up with a
mess. I
then demonstrate reformatting the document with styles and I'm done in
about 3 minutes and the document formatting is consistent and
useful. I
then ask, "If your client was paying $200 an hour to have a legal
document
prepared and formatted, who would they rather pay, me or you?"
On 10/31/2014 9:57 AM, Tim Deaton wrote:
> Sorry for the delay in responding. Too many other things going on.
>
> -- Tim
> ===========================
>
> On 10/26/2014 4:56 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
>
>> At 16:25 26/10/2014 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/2014 02:13 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 13:51 26/10/2014 -0400, Tim Deaton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm currently running LO v4.2.6.3 on Windows 7, 64-bit, SP1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Writer primarily to create notes for Bible study
lessons. In
>>>>> that process, I often copy text into Writer from other
programs (most
>>>>> likely e-Sword and TheWord (two free Bible software programs
which, I
>>>>> think, both use the SQLite open-source database program).
The template I
>>>>> use for this has the default tab-stop setting (Tools|Options|LO
>>>>> Writer|General) set to 0.25 inch.
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem is that when copying text passages from those
(and perhaps
>>>>> other) programs into LO, that default tab-stop gets reset to
0.5 inch, so
>>>>> that I have to go into the Options to change it back after each
>>>>> copy/paste. I don't know when exactly this behavior
started, but I do know
>>>>> this resetting did not happen when I was using OOo and then
LO 3.x. It
>>>>> either started with LO 4.0 or 4.1.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why you would want to use default tab stops at
all. They
>>>> are so close that you often need to add multiple consecutive tab
>>>> characters, and this is surely a recipe for your documents
being fragile
>>>> and not robust to changes of font, paper size, printer,
platform, and so
>>>> on? Tab stops are a property of paragraph styles. Why not set
up a
>>>> paragraph style with just the tab stops you actually need and
then apply
>>>> this style to the text (very easily done) immediately after
pasting
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about using paste special the "Unformatted text" option after
>>> creating the paragraph style you want?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure how that helps. In any case, the questioner
originally said
>> he wanted to retain elements of formatting in the copied text.
>>
>> Brian Barker
>>
>> Thanks for your comments, and your patience.
>
> The reason for the .25" tab stops (about 6mm) is that in these
documents I
> do a lot of outline-type indenting, but without the outline
numbering.
> Also, the pasted-in scripture sections use .25" hanging indents
in one of
> the source programs, and I like to keep that. It's NOT for
tabbed spaces
> in the middle of a line.
>
> When I started using OOo for this, I set up a template just for
these
> documents, and brought that over to LO when I switched. The
.25" default
> tab stops are part of that template. Given its age, I doubt I
used styles
> then, but I really don't remember. I just know that the
default setting
> used to not be bothered by the stuff I paste in from eSword and
TheWord,
> but now it is.
>
> Here's a link to a recent document:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50459876/ss20141026.Heb8.odt
> (I wanted to include this on my original post, but computer
problems -
> part of the "too many other things" above - prevented that.)
>
> - Tim D.
>
>
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