1) While this is all "he said, she said", and we don't currently know what exactly the Univa sales are saying to the Grid Engine users, I would like to response to Fritz's comment related to redistributing documentations that are "non-free".
Assuming what Fritz said is true, is Dave distributing the material with the installable packages? If not, then users can still safely use Dave's version. 2) Also, I usually don't want to say bad things about Univa because I used to work with Bill, so I know Bill in person. However, since Dave (who almost fully trusted Univa at the beginning) is making things public, I will just share what I experienced. Univa removed the testimonial written by me from the website, in which I said "With Univa's announcement today, users now have access to a reliable and commercial-grade open-source Grid Engine solution". Same thing happened to Dave's testimonial, where he said "... with commercial support from Univa for the free version. I hope the HPC community will get behind this in the spirit of Sun's original project agenda, with increased success in the light of experience." When Univa CEO (Gary Tyreman) had the phone conversion with me in Jan 2011 asking for support and a testimonial, he said that Univa would continue open source development, and hence I added the "commercial-grade open-source Grid Engine" point. However, I found out later on that Univa Grid Engine is open-core instead of open source, so this is not really telling me the truth (or for the benefit of the doubt, only telling me part of the truth). 3) And the first product shipped in May this year and the marketing machine started rolling, Univa began to do things that are clearly against the adaption of open-source Grid Engine (eg. the Grid Engine comparsion table). This is clearly not the Sun spirit of supporting Grid Engine. Each time when someone makes Univa's FUD public, Univa could always come up with "we mean that, not this". However, those complains against Univa's FUDs keep appearing on this list. Rayson On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Fritz Ferstl <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dave, > you might have wanted to check with me first before you post such messages. > If you check your exchanges with me from the beginning of this year then you > will find that I had pointed out to you that not all of what you have > integrated in the Son of Grid Engine project is kosher. Just because it was > accessible from a site offering code under an open source license doesn't > mean all of its content on that site is under that same license. You still > have to look at the fine print. In particular you have to check whether > things are redistributable and may come with copyright issues before you > start providing them. > The code was open source and under the SISSL and certain binaries were under > a binary code license that made them redistributable but other pieces, like > parts of the documentation for instance, are a different matter. > We've turned every stone before defining the basis for our Univa Grid Engine > work because we do indemnify our customers and partners from legal > allegations from 3rd parties and we would be liable. I neither want users of > Grid Engine nor those who provide any version to be in trouble so I suggest > everybody does some homework. > Cheers, > Fritz > Am 09.11.2011 um 19:14 schrieb Dave Love: > > I've been told that Univa have been giving customers a "health warning" > to avoid Son of Grid Engine, the community distribution. They claim I'm > distributing Sun proprietary material, and am lucky Oracle lawyers > haven't descended yet. > > Actually, the Sun material is all from the defunct sunsource.net under a > free licence > <https://arc.liv.ac.uk/trac/SGE/wiki/WikiStart#CopyrightandNaming>, used > in the spirit of the old project manifesto; see also archive.org. > Oracle even offered to supply it directly. I can't see anything of > Sun's the gridengine team (now at Univa?) are likely to have put there > inadvertently, but that would be Oracle's problem and presumably Univa's > if it was in the gridengine or arco repo. As far as I know, the only > SGE-related proprietary stuff even accessible to non-customers is/was > obsolete binaries -- whose licence Sun/Oracle people effectively told us > to ignore anyway -- and the old documentation/blueprints. > > I've no idea why they feel the need to attack underhandedly -- > specifically amongst colleagues and potential employers -- the > professional reputation of someone who mis-guidedly offered support, but > others should beware. > > [Apologies not to have been able to respond to things here recently, and > there seems to be plenty that needs a response if I can find time. > Anyhow, now for something more constructive.] > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Fritz Ferstl | CTO and Business Development, EMEA > Univa Corporation | The Data Center Optimization Company > E-Mail: [email protected] | Phone: +49.9471.200.195 | Mobile: +49.170.819.7390 > > > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] https://gridengine.org/mailman/listinfo/users
